Title: Lies to Cis People Are, Unfortunately, Still Lies
Date: 2020-01-01
Category: commentary
-Tags: epistemology, ozy
+Tags: epistemology, Ozy
Status: draft
-This post is a response to Ozymandias's ["Lies to Cis People"](https://thingofthings.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/lies-to-cis-people/), and is part of my [continuing attempt](http://unremediatedgender.space/tag/ozy/) to overthrow them as _de facto_ Gender Czar of the _Less Wrong_ diaspora. (Nothing personal, Ozy! I still like you!—it's just that the people deserve more cold-hearted cosmic horror–inducing reductionism than they're currently getting.)
+This post is a response to Ozymandias's ["Lies to Cis People"](https://thingofthings.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/lies-to-cis-people/), and is part of my [continuing attempt](/tag/ozy/) to overthrow them as _de facto_ Gender Czar of the _Less Wrong_ diaspora. (Nothing personal, Ozy! We're still friends, right?)
Ozymandias appeals to the concept of _lies-to-children_: simple models that fail to , but which are worth teaching and diseminating on the grounds of their practical utility. Lies-to-children
> You can be butch and a trans lady and you are still a trans lady and not Really A Man.
> Genderqueer people exist.
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+But bootstrapping is real, too: https://thingofthings.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/nonbinary-gender/
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