X-Git-Url: http://unremediatedgender.space/source?a=blobdiff_plain;ds=inline;f=notes%2Fnotes.txt;h=44259b4cc8bf5717028268f311b1286899e2e244;hb=HEAD;hp=e97b4f2e3d96f58aa55a488d01968efa4467d523;hpb=b75d24973c9e49df3b0a67b4df92578bf2e1182e;p=Ultimately_Untrue_Thought.git diff --git a/notes/notes.txt b/notes/notes.txt index e97b4f2..bb0b064 100644 --- a/notes/notes.txt +++ b/notes/notes.txt @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ -I don't think we're in equilibrium; I don't think everyone knows what's going on +'I don't think we're in equilibrium; I don't think everyone knows what's going on fragments— @@ -3309,8 +3309,6 @@ https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/gender-criticism-versus-gender-abolition-on- https://www.reddit.com/r/medicine/comments/15hhliu/the_chen_2023_paper_raises_serious_concerns_about/ -Everybody knows! https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/06/third-of-britons-dont-know-trans-women-born-male/ - Alex Byrne podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/956725/13282940-gender-pronouns-and-linguistic-negotiation "Intersexual and Intrasexual Differences in Mate Selection Preferences Among Lesbian Women, Gay Men, and Bisexual Women and Men" @@ -3349,3 +3347,338 @@ https://www.reddit.com/r/ftm/comments/16ko1jj/i_dont_get_along_with_guys/ https://www.thecut.com/article/adult-friendships-vs-kids.html She's not ideological about it like I am. Rationalist women and men can be similar to each other and different from normies along the subspace of dimensions that rationalists and normies are different, while also being different from each other along the subspace of dimensions that females and males are different from each other, even while some dimensions are in both subspaces. + +https://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/23101806.issue-day-able-bodied-norwegian-identifies-disabled-woman/ + +https://www.tiredtranssexual.com/ + +https://deathisbad.substack.com/p/my-agp-dudes-it-does-get-better + +https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/10/09/alliance-defending-freedoms-legal-crusade + +> Michael says the thing we call "trans women" are basically males who have been lied to about how sex works and who don't, can't participate in rape culture. As a virgin from the 1987 birth cohort, this resonates. I said, "Comment 171 syndrome." Although ... I have been in bed with a woman a few times, and from there the proximate cause of still-being-a-virgin-afterward was erectile nonperformance due to obligate-AGP. This is likely related to Comment 171 syndrome. Blanchard wrote about "developmental competition" (the balance between allo- and auto- hardening during psycho-sexual development): my analogue in a world where I had known how and why to ethically pursue girls as a teenager would still be in the same taxon, but maybe wouldn't have gone so far down the obligate track. + +https://old.reddit.com/r/askAGP/comments/173rtqp/im_agp_and_i_transitioned_at_12_ama/ + +https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/interactive/2023/trans-women-sorority-kappa-kappa-gamma-wyoming/ +https://archive.ph/6Y2wO + +> A trans woman told me, "I get to have all these talkative blowhard traits and no one will punish me for it cuz I'm a girl." +https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/kq8CZzcPKQtCzbGxg/quinn-s-shortform?commentId=ByARjQ72pNfvzRoLQ + +https://www.reddit.com/r/honesttransgender/comments/17tetu5/im_trans_and_i_transitioned_because_seeing_myself/ + +https://ovarit.com/o/Books/519555/even-trashy-old-novels-knew-the-truth-about-agp + +https://quillette.com/2023/12/14/misunderstanding-the-fertility-crisis/ + +https://www.theknownheretic.com/p/sex-mimics-are-mimicspart-1 + +https://benexdict.io/p/math-team + +https://thepostmillennial.com/trans-runner-shatters-womens-sprinting-record-only-one-year-after-earning-19th-place-in-male-competition + +https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/18tggaq/i_get_aroused_when_i_have_gender_euphoria_is_that/ + +https://www.reddit.com/r/trans/comments/18vijfo/asked_my_friend_out_she_couldnt_just_turn_me_down/ + +https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/18ygct1/is_autogynephillia_real/ + +https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/526364/tims-in-r-lesbiangamers-outnumber-females-2-1 + +https://twitter.com/jmrphy/status/1746744905861345290 +> "Talking about your interests" with your wife is wayyy overhyped in the minds of single men seeking marriage. My wife is smart and I never talk to her about my interests. I talk to men about my interests (how it's been for thousands of years). + +https://twitter.com/LadyTetra777/status/1747381930507538451 +> Imma simplify all agp discourse. Ready? +> +> Me: AGP? Listen cis people, intellectualizing an experience won't give you that experience ⛔️ +> +> Me, staring at a full mirror: Yep, AGP is real 😌 + +https://twitter.com/extradeadjcb/status/1731503700353421315 +> My impression is that like religion, fecundity is a thing these people respect & see as extremely valuable if not essential - but it doesn't clear their personal cost-benefit calculus +> +> It's less that it has to be done in human ways, & more that it has to be done for human reasons + +Shannon Thrace appeals to the "principle of charity" and "steelmanning": https://twitter.com/ShannonThrace/status/1749609014982258933 So she is memetically downstream of us! It's not at all obvious! +In a later Tweet (https://twitter.com/ShannonThrace/status/1756776030453272681), she cites Volokh Conspiracy (https://reason.com/volokh/2021/05/12/steelmanning-and-interpretive-charity/) who cites LW and Chana Messinger + +https://unstablerontology.substack.com/p/so-whats-really-going-on-with-autogynephilia + +https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgc4.1621 + +https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/article/2024/may/25/american-pronatalists-malcolm-and-simone-collins + +https://www.allcatsarefemale.com/p/sublimated-femininity + +https://manifold.markets/Tetraspace/when-will-kepe-transition +https://manifold.markets/April/when-is-wordbug-getting-transed-by + +https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-01719-9 + +"On becoming Lucy Sante": https://archive.ph/NbFFe + +---- + +Linta writes, about Biden's declining health— + +> I think there was probably a little bit of a coverup but the kind where everyone involved has sincerely convinced themselves +> and they can't possibly have expected this debate outcome +> this does not much diminish culpability of coursse +> I think people often achieve deception by first deceiving themselves and this is not less bad than other kinds + +I would say the same about other situations. + +----- + +https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/1e2dd2b/why_are_people_still_talking_about/?share_id=J0kqsGl8fEUwA0_ossPud + +Jesse Singal using the phrase "epistemic hygiene" https://x.com/jessesingal/status/1813030379361824797 + +https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/1e4yyqy/when_does_the_novelty_of_realizing_you_have_boobs/ + +https://x.com/autogynephil/status/1815476630988697607 + +----- + +https://discord.com/channels/401181628015050773/459131858936922112/1268274250050179104 + +> and I think [other child] is generally interested in like - his identity and his role, right now +> he also latched on really hard to 'Vladimir Putin is the bad guy' and to various career aspirations +> he really wants there to be an answer to what makes him - 'unique' has slightly the wrong connotations +> 'what his community expects from him and how he can make them proud' has slightly the wrong connotations in the other direction + +> Tbc, the tough thing comes from when he took a bad fall & Jacob carried him for a ways and then complimented him on being tough when he stopped crying, and he decided to tell every adult he knew that he was tough like six times + +It should be plausible that "what the community expects from them" applies to a trans child, they're the holy trans child + +----- + +"trans kids on the margin" August 2024 update— + +https://discord.com/channels/343071095546707979/343072302214414338/1275289858360741951 +[trans child] wanted to go out front to "make weapons" + +de facto third parent reports (https://discord.com/channels/401181628015050773/459131858936922112/1275645444923457660)— +> I first typed in 'presents for an eight year old girl under $10' and then 'presents for a four year old boy under $10' +> they were astounded by the fact they liked all of the options that came up when you do this +> you could tell it had never before occurred to them that their demographic information would be usefully predictive of what presents to get them + +Weirdly selective gender socialization: when Cimorene does super boy-typical things like wanting to play "make weapons", no one is allowed to notice this as boy-typical, but when Cimorene does like girl's gifts, that is admissable. Outright sex-differences denialism (denying both inferences as sexist, not just the "cis"-affirming one) was so much cleaner ... + +Tempted to say, "(missed opportunity to use properly blinded methodology: you could have done the Cartesian product of [4/8] [boy/girl] searches and shown the children all four result-sets without telling them the search queries)" + +don't have hard textual evidence for this one, but it would have been late 2024 when I talked to Mike Blume about how Cimorene was recently spontaneously telling people she's a biological boy + +millenial marriage: https://x.com/TopoPino3/status/1831402029857828873 + +https://x.com/BriannaWu/status/1831687141505802411 +> I will tell you as a transsexual, the new DSM-V criteria of gender dysphoria is just bad and overly broad. If you are a parent of a child that is claiming to be trans BE HIGHLY SKEPTICAL if they do not fit a more classical case of gender dysphoria. + +https://x.com/heterodorx/status/1840728215091818991 +> Since 2023 I've been trying to find in-network medical care that will work with me to ensure sufficient endocrine health. +> * I am male. I do not produce testosterone. +> * I am fatigued, have no sex drive, and have some minor memory issues. +> * After repeated blood draws and my specific concerns about low testosterone (low compared even to females), no T labs have been ordered because they don't do that for women. +> * On my third physician referral to an in-network endocrinologist, I was told that if I wanted testosterone that I would need to "transition to become a man" and was told to consult a mental health specialist. + +Brianna Wu on medicalization caution +https://x.com/BriannaWu/status/1844410608197701788 + +https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/1g89xyh/what_is_inherently_wrong_with_identifying_as_agp/ + +didn't have time to read this at the time +https://x.com/Rstorechildhood/status/1849325215479992424 + +https://artymorty.substack.com/p/there-are-no-trans-kids-only-kids + +Brianna Wu doing typology videos: https://x.com/BriannaWu/status/1851970746538422453 + +https://x.com/ArtemisConsort/status/1852474951690805578 +> I was on hormone replacement therapy for 4.5 years. I got facial surgery and breast augmentation. When I identified as trans, my dysphoria was intense. Now I don’t feel dysphoria. Yes n=1, but I firmly believe dysphoria can be treated without transition, at least for many people. + +Ritchie/Tulip admits to being AGP? https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=UZ9IECATyoQOWHY6 + +https://x.com/ACTBrigitte/status/1855095025190797453 + +https://reduxx.info/exclusive-female-inmate-assaulted-by-canadian-transgender-child-rapist-in-womens-prison-sustained-broken-ribs-eyewitness-reports/ + +> The trial of a woman charged with murdering her wife and their two children +https://archive.ph/rFkN3 + +>>discover new interesting girl account +>>wonder if she's trans +>>follow +>>she's trans +> +> every single time +https://x.com/nosilverv/status/1857390053795692593 + +https://x.com/heterodorx/status/1851836112882336147 + +thread on women in the military +https://x.com/myth_pilot/status/1857094248090218980 + +https://www.theparadoxinstitute.com/read/the-ugly-truth-of-male-breastfeeding + +Colin Wright: "something happened at 36 and now having kids is my #1 priority in life." +https://x.com/SwipeWright/status/1868150244623470951 + +https://www.thedistancemag.com/p/dr-john-michael-bailey-takes-us-behind + +> But the camera seemed to linger on me. And somehow, it wasn’t a caring or caressing kind of televisual linger, but a visual association with the idea of intellectual inferiority. +https://getpocket.com/explore/item/jeopardy-eugenics-and-me + +I saw a FB post about cyrptically getting past a pronouns-in-signature ban, which makes the team function (pace CofveveAnon) very clear (the crypticness only makes sense in terms of coordination, not telling people which pronouns to use) + + +> I think what’s really scary is that, as birth rates decline, more and more people just won’t know what they don’t know, which is that new children in society and in families are loadbearing and without them a lot of systems and structures and relationships really just kind of no longer make sense. +> And I think everybody will be the worse for this, many people will be made sadder and more anxious and more depressed by it, but, again, they won’t know what they don’t know, because they won’t have kids and none of their friends will have kids and they’ll never be able to properly identify what’s missing. + +https://x.com/wanyeburkett/status/1886123988738338824 + + +> if you don't want to have kids just don't have kids and live your happy life but "I'll be the fun aunt/uncle" is delusional cope and every parent who hears you say it understands that you're basically a child yourself +https://x.com/yashkaf/status/1886227050056294429 + +https://wiki.obormot.net/Public/ResourcesForTransAsDysgenicMemeticVirus + +https://www.jessicariedl.blog/p/yes-my-name-has-changed + +> There are undoubtedly risks related to AI. One of the biggest: +> +> A partisan group of crazy people use AI to infect every part of the information economy with left wing bias. Gemini can’t produce accurate history. ChatGPT promotes genocidal concepts. +> +> The solution is open source +https://x.com/JDVance/status/1764471399823847525 + +> The ick is when a woman looks at a guy and realizes she would simply prefer there was less of him in the world. +https://x.com/jd_pressman/status/1888146052626497731 + + +https://www.vox.com/explain-it-to-me/399280/young-men-dating-struggles-single +> If dating is a numbers game, the numbers don’t appear to be on the men’s side. According to a 2022 Pew Research Center survey, 63 percent of men under 30 said they were single, compared to only 34 percent of women in the same age cohort. These single men are more likely to be looking for love, too: Half of single men in Pew’s survey reported looking for a committed relationship and/or casual dates, while only 35 percent of single women said the same. + + +https://reason.com/2025/02/21/the-progressive-betrayal-of-trans-americans/ + +hope re: my marriagability? https://x.com/sashachapin/status/1894163584340693490 + +https://x.com/aretae/status/1896303713394041188 +> The best women in my classes reliably do exactly what I said perfectly. The best men in my classes reliably ignore my instructions and do something better than what I asked for. + + +https://www.orthodoxroad.com/impossible-dreams-a-trans-story/ + +https://danmackinlay.name/contact + +https://www.sebjenseb.net/p/sex-differences-in-intelligence + +https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/08/books/review/stag-dance-torrey-peters.html + +"just have prediction markets on who's most likely to masturbate in a bathroom" +https://x.com/TrueMattEdwards/status/1899921052731662355 + + +> Biological sex erased from official data on health, crime and education +https://www.thetimes.com/article/7c7de375-4919-40d3-8127-c8eaadc94671?shareToken=e90ccec371c73a3cbfe41d96b9d3aee8 + +https://www.reddit.com/r/BodySwapMemes/comments/1jlu2kl/does_anyone_actually_enjoy_fm_plots_they_are/ + +https://optimismmommy.substack.com/p/my-body-your-choice + +https://nicholasdecker.substack.com/p/why-your-children-shouldnt-be-your + +https://x.com/Austen/status/1906540533956137275 +> I asked my wife how often she uses an LLM. +> +> She didn’t know what that meant. +If she doesn't know what you do, what do you talk about? + +> Men's struggle is to be *valuable* +> Women's struggle is to not be *replaceable* +https://x.com/CovfefeAnon/status/1907246273389789209 + +—maybe that's an angle on Rebecca's school-hatred? + +---- + +@.neonblue have you ever tried much peer activism in the other direction? Like, instead of telling people on /r/MtF that they're delusional perverts, tell people on /r/genderotica that many real transsexuals are actually guys like them? (I bet a lot of them still don't know!) Tail can't even object to this (putative magical third type TW can't call it Blanchardian gaslighting because it's hitting _known_ AGPs with the _known_ fact that "many", not necesarily "all", non-homosexual MtF are AGP) + +An intermediate case was when someone on /r/BodySwapMemes mentioned having recently figured out they were trans. The denial rationalization hamster probably has to work harder _given the venue_ + + +https://x.com/0x49fa98/status/1907549763723259958 +> None of this should be controversial in the slightest, but the widespread denial of these plain truths leads to all manner of absurdities, most of all to the negrolatry of the PWLC, whose Holy Grail is to find an African woman who is psychologically and behaviorally and indistinguishable from an English man. To the PWCL, such a person would be god made flesh, because she is a radical vindication of his belief in the primacy of story over monkey. + + +https://x.com/wolftivy/status/1908359329834819748 +> Why does everybody whine about low fertility and eugenics and stuff but then not have any kids? I don't get it. + +https://aeon.co/essays/a-psychologist-and-biologist-debate-the-significance-of-testosterone + +https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/1b0vetg/is_there_a_way_to_transition_medically_mtf/ + + +Fertility preservation: is there a model for gender-dysphoric youth? +https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/endocrinology/articles/10.3389/fendo.2025.1386716/full + +https://arctotherium.substack.com/p/progress-studies-and-feminization + + +https://aella.substack.com/p/the-difficulty-in-dating-good-men + +chart on trans identification over time +https://x.com/KirkegaardEmil/status/1913922299247423703 + +https://thecritic.co.uk/did-women-in-academia-cause-wokeness/ + +https://denovo.substack.com/p/sex-development-puberty-and-transgender + +https://x.com/captgouda24/status/1916922088713048554 +> I fear for trans rights, because the issue is fundamentally one of children’s rights. Do minors have the right to choose what they do with their body? America has never shown a compunction about denying the freedom of children. And it matters, because puberty is forever. + +https://benthams.substack.com/p/why-i-think-trans-women-are-women + +https://x.com/Scientific_Bird/status/1918084227750609039 + +https://www.reddit.com/r/BodySwapMemes/comments/1kclj0e/i_have_to_tell_you_something_strange_i_actually/ + +Hanania REAL ID deception: https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1918393017788186943 +He's obviously doing a bit: https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1925957570868449392 + +Men not wanting intellectual wives being specifically a lower-class thing is a good example of what Tail is complaining about, about observations in a distribution not generalizing to the true structure +https://x.com/autumnpard/status/1918466673188761939 + + +> "A couple months ago I realized I was a trans woman" +https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDigitalCircus/comments/1kdzyo7/why_fast_food_masquerade_is_one_of_my_favorite/ + +https://www.theojaffee.com/p/the-enlightened-centrist-manifesto?r=1jzsbf&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web +(see also Scott's comment) + +The world is so small: I was having a silly conversation with o3 about math and moral goodness and escalated to "Teichmüller" was bluffing, and one of the search references it found was https://nunosempere.github.io/maths-prog/teichmuller.html (who likes my work and I'm in a groupchat with) + +male detransitioner's story: https://x.com/Dani_Activist/status/1920749553474482349 + +> Since redpills break 80/20 our way, of those who take more and those who spit them out—anyone to the left of us, but is dispensing redpills, is a friend +> +> But they'll break one way or the other soon anyway. So when you speak to them, it's not to *them*, but to their audience +https://x.com/zackmdavis/status/1329834529733836808 +> But if Truth only breaks 80/20 towards being more-easily-construed-to-favor-your-side, why is the goal to get people on your "side"? Wouldn't you rather just right about everything (even if that means not supporting the team 20% of the time)? + +https://usefulfictions.substack.com/p/i-used-to-be-a-high-performing-robot + +https://x.com/cr1ng3yy/status/1922861276687974445 +> I’ve been on HRT for almost 3 years and I still don’t look like a woman, strangers never see me as a woman. Never actually experienced what it’s like to be a woman. I’m always in pain every day. I wanna feel something that makes me feel good about myself and gives me purpose. + +In S1E17 of Gravity Falls, at the beginning, Wendy agrees with a dismissive comment about "girls" (showing her gender non-conformity and can make probabilistic inferences from that), and at the end she makes a comment about "guys" (showing that she's still female and can make probabilistic inferences from that) + +There's a version of this that's true, but this was lower quality than I expected/hoped: https://www.transvitae.com/biological-reality-isnt-science-its-just-nostalgia/ + +https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/1ky34w5/its_just_a_fetish_isnt_it/ +top comment: "We get this exact post like twice a week, tl;dr just sign up for estrogen already" + +https://x.com/jackiedotnet/status/1929938997264166934 +> added a trans girl to my contacts and realized we both met at a hackathon pretransition because of course we did