X-Git-Url: http://unremediatedgender.space/source?a=blobdiff_plain;f=notes%2Fa-hill-of-validity-sections.md;h=81e78716aa0aef6a2f8f99cec3fd0891d3438a1a;hb=acaf7ea3e9a145413eddcfb90d695099b20809bb;hp=ca6bc94f453bd9e8dc286a79c81bc77f70e75f09;hpb=a45a461726d892c0dc5d128db253211247b62d84;p=Ultimately_Untrue_Thought.git diff --git a/notes/a-hill-of-validity-sections.md b/notes/a-hill-of-validity-sections.md index ca6bc94..81e7871 100644 --- a/notes/a-hill-of-validity-sections.md +++ b/notes/a-hill-of-validity-sections.md @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ with internet available— -_ examples of snarky comments about "the rationalists" _ Discord logs before Austin retreat +_ examples of snarky comments about "the rationalists" _ screenshot Rob's Facebook comment which I link _ 13th century word meanings _ compile Categories references from the Dolphin War Twitter thread @@ -19,7 +19,6 @@ _ explain "court ruling" earlier _ 2019 Discord discourse with Alicorner _ edit discussion of "anti-trans" side given that I later emphasize that "sides" shouldn't be a thing _ first appearance of "Caliphate" -_ the right way to explain how I'm respecting Yudkowsky's privacy _ explain the adversarial pressure on privacy norms _ first EY contact was asking for public clarification or "I am being silenced" (so Glomarizing over "unsatisfying response" or no response isn't leaking anything Yudkowksy cares about) _ Nov. 2018 continues thread from Oct. 2016 conversation @@ -27,7 +26,7 @@ _ better explanation of posse formation _ maybe quote Michael's Nov 2018 texts? _ clarify sequence of outreach attempts _ clarify existence of a shadow posse member -_ mention Nov. 2018 conversation with Ian somehow +_ mention Nov. 2018 conversation with Ian somehow; backref on bidding for attention again; subject line from Happy Price 2016 _ Said on Yudkowsky's retreat to Facebook being bad for him _ explain first use of "rationalist" _ explain first use of Center for Applied Rationality @@ -253,7 +252,7 @@ https://archive.is/7Wolo > the massive correlation between exposure to Yudkowsky's writings and being a trans woman (can't bother to do the calculations but the connection is absurdly strong) Namespace's point about the two EYs -[stonewalling](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/wqmmv6NraYv4Xoeyj/conversation-halters) + The level above "Many-worlds is obviously correct, stop being stupid" is "Racial IQ differences are obviously real; stop being stupid" @@ -419,23 +418,31 @@ back in 'aught-nine, Anna commented that no one in our circle was that old, as i > I suspect Scott is calling the wrong side monastic, though - we basically believe it can be done by lay people, he doesn't. I'll be pleasantly surprised if he gets the sides right, though. -• at least Sabbatai Zevi had an excuse: his choices were to convert to Islam or be impaled https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbatai_Zevi#Conversion_to_Islam + Really, self-respecting trans people who care about logical consistency should abhor Scott and Eliezer's opinions—you should want people to use the right pronouns _because_ of your gender soul or _because_ your transition actually worked, not because categories are flexible and pronouns shouldn't imply gender -https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1435605868758765568 -> Because it was you, I tried to read this when it came out. But you do not know how to come to a point, because you are too horrified by the thought that a reader might disagree with you if you don't write even more first; so then I started skimming, and then I gave up. -But I wasn't always this way. It's adaptive. The reason I write even more to get out ahead of the objections I can forsee, is because I've been _at this for six years_. I tried being concise _first_. +> Because it was you, I tried to read this when it came out. But + + +Yudkowsky complains—not entirely without justification—that I ["do not know how to come to a point, because [I am] too horrified by the thought that a reader might disagree with [me] if [I] don't write even more first."](https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1435605868758765568) + +But I wasn't always this way. It's an adaptive response to years of trolling. The reason I write even more to get out ahead of the objections I can forsee, is because I've been _at this for six years_. I tried being concise _first_. You want concise? Meghan Murphy got it down to four words (which could have been three): "Men aren't women tho." + + + + + > If you think you can win a battle about 2 + 3 = 5, then it can feel like victory or self-justification to write a huge long article hammering on that; but it doesn't feel as good to engage with how the Other does not think they are arguing 2 + 3 = 6, they're talking about 2 * 3. https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1435618825198731270 @@ -1137,3 +1144,13 @@ https://www.facebook.com/yudkowsky/posts/10154110278349228 https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1404821285276774403 > It is not trans-specific. When people tell me I helped them, I mostly believe them and am happy. ] + + +https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/cyzXoCv7nagDWCMNS/you-re-calling-who-a-cult-leader#35n +> In fact, I would say that by far the most cultish-looking behavior on Hacker News is people trying to show off how willing they are to disagree with Paul Graham +I'm totally still doing this + +> it's that it's hard to get that innocence back, once you even start thinking about whether you're _independent_ of someone + + +If Scott's willing to link to A. Marinos, maybe he'd link to my memoir, too? https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/open-thread-242