X-Git-Url: http://unremediatedgender.space/source?a=blobdiff_plain;f=notes%2Fa-hill-of-validity-sections.md;h=9e3f25cdcb019bac52feda632d0b01e773306b52;hb=7225f9f2c2c3b2fac2a562c34712e0efa486ca46;hp=6860bc03171241473ec440d08f9ff2b3c187de12;hpb=350ee3034342316151f92a94916d8fd0bdb8e0d8;p=Ultimately_Untrue_Thought.git diff --git a/notes/a-hill-of-validity-sections.md b/notes/a-hill-of-validity-sections.md index 6860bc0..9e3f25c 100644 --- a/notes/a-hill-of-validity-sections.md +++ b/notes/a-hill-of-validity-sections.md @@ -1,17 +1,18 @@ with internet available— +_ "What the Tortise Said" link +_ 13th century word meanings _ the comment from old-OB where someone brought up the Dolphin objection and Yudkowsky linked "Mutual Information" in reply _ the other Twitter conversation incl. Tail where Yudkowsky says he's not taking a stand -_ the exchange on old OB where I said - - +_ the exchange on old OB where I said to acknowledge that not all men _want_ to be masculine _ screenshot Rob's Facebook comment which I link _ compile Categories references from the Dolphin War +_ dates of subsequent philosophy-of-language posts far editing tier— +_ clarify why Michael thought Scott was "gaslighting" me, include "beeseech bowels of Christ" _ address the "maybe it's good to be called names" point from "Hill" thread _ 2019 Discord discourse with Alicorner _ edit discussion of "anti-trans" side given that I later emphasize that "sides" shouldn't be a thing -_ clarify why Michael thought Scott was "gaslighting" me, include "beeseech bowels of Christ" _ the right way to explain how I'm respecting Yudkowsky's privacy _ explain the adversarial pressure on privacy norms _ first EY contact was asking for public clarification or "I am being silenced" (so Glomarizing over "unsatisfying response" or no response isn't leaking anything Yudkowksy cares about) @@ -28,6 +29,10 @@ _ erasing agency of Michael's friends, construed as a pawn _ mention the fact that Anna had always taken a "What You Can't Say" strategy _ when to use first _vs. last names _ explain why I'm not being charitable in 2018 thread analysis, that at the time, I thought it had to be a mistake +_ January 2019 meeting with Ziz and Gwen +_ better summary of Littman + + people to consult before publishing, for feedback or right of objection— @@ -36,6 +41,7 @@ _ Ben/Jessica _ Scott _ Anna _ secret posse member +_ Alicorn: about privacy, and for Melkor Glowfic reference link _ someone from Alicorner #drama as a hostile prereader (Swimmer?) _ maybe Kelsey (very briefly, just about her name)? _ maybe SK (briefly about his name)? @@ -500,10 +506,6 @@ a rationality community that can't think about _practical_ issues that affect ou It's a _problem_ if public intellectuals in the current year need to pretend to be dumber than seven-year-olds in 2016 -> _Perhaps_, replied the cold logic. _If the world were at stake._ -> -> _Perhaps_, echoed the other part of himself, _but that is not what was actually happening._ -https://www.yudkowsky.net/other/fiction/the-sword-of-good https://www.readthesequences.com/ > Because it is all, in the end, one thing. I talked about big important distant problems and neglected immediate life, but the laws governing them aren't actually different. @@ -983,3 +985,15 @@ Thoughts on your proposed cruxes: 1 (harmful inferences) is an unworkable AI des https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1436025983522381827 > Well, Zack hopefully shouldn't see this, but I do happen to endorse everything you just said, for your own personal information. + + +[SECTION about monastaries (with Ben and Anna in April 2019) +I complained to Anna: "Getting the right answer in public on topic _X_ would be too expensive, so we won't do it" is _less damaging_ when the set of such Xes is _small_. It looked to me like we added a new forbidden topic in the last ten years, without rolling back any of the old ones. + +"Reasoning in public is too expensive; reasoning in private is good enough" is _less damaging_ when there's some sort of _recruiting pipeline_ from the public into the monasteries: lure young smart people in with entertaining writing and shiny math, _then_ gradually undo their political brainwashing once they've already joined your cult. (It had [worked on me](/2021/May/sexual-dimorphism-in-the-sequences-in-relation-to-my-gender-problems/)!) + +I would be sympathetic to "rationalist" leaders like Anna or Yudkowsky playing that strategy if there were some sort of indication that they had _thought_, at all, about the pipeline problem—or even an indication that there _was_ an intact monastery somewhere. +] + +> Admitting something when being pushed a little, but never thinking it spontaneously and hence having those thoughts absent from your own thought processes, remains not sane. +https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1501218503990431745