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@@ -9,7 +9,7 @@ Fit in somewhere—
  * Aella https://knowingless.com/2019/06/06/side-effects-of-preferred-pronouns/
  * "gamete size"—this is a tic where everyone knows what sex is, but no one is allowed to acknowledge the cluster  
  * maybe worth explaining why I keep saying "sex category" instead of "gender"—and be consistent about it
- * transition interventions are bundled
+ * transition interventions are bundled: asking for pronouns could only plausibly be a good idea if coupled with further interventions—but that's not the picture we'd get if we took Yudkowsky literally
  * also take a crack at the Aristotelan binary sports Tweet
  * this post needs to exist because I can't let him have the last word
  * I need to acknowledge the
@@ -17,6 +17,9 @@ Fit in somewhere—
 
  * maybe by "much more strongly ... different firm attachments", he's pointing to different people having different intuitions about what male/female clusters map to; that's definitely a thing, but it's wrong to conflate that with "Maybe it's like not being named Oliver"; people do agree on the approximate meaning of blue and green even if there are edge cases, cite fallacy of gray
 
+ * introductory sentence before referencing "we" or "the community"
+ * can some of the asides be yanked into footnotes??
+
 More Yudkowsky playing dumb—
 
 > What separates your stance from "I consider 'parmesan' to refer to only cheese from the Parma region in Italy and I don't appreciate being asked to lie"?
@@ -73,6 +76,10 @@ How sensitive is he to reputational concerns? Compare feud with Alexander Kruel
 
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+[TODO: again, [Yudkowsky's pathological fixation on avoiding "lying"](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/MN4NRkMw7ggt9587K/firming-up-not-lying-around-its-edge-cases-is-less-broadly) is a distraction from anything that anyone actually cares about. Certainly, I don't believe (a) as stated. But something substantively _similar_ to (a), (a') that self-reports are biased by social desirability and we can't take "gender identity" literally seems _overwhelmingly_ likely to be true, and I have a study to support it— /papers/blanchard-clemmensen-steiner-social_desirability_response_set_and_systematic_distortion.pdf . This should not seem implausible to someone who co-blogged with Robin Hanson for three years! As for (b), I don't think they get more favorable treatment from the rest of Society uniformly, I absolutely believe (b') that there's a _subculture_ that encourages transition for ideological reasons among people who wouldn't think of themselves as "trans" if they lived in a different subculture.
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+Can we talk about _that_ in your Caliphate, my (a') and (b')? (Which is the stuff I actually care about, not pronouns.) Based on my experiences trying to, my read of the situation is, No, we can't talk about that. But if so,
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 Subject: blessing to speak freely, and privacy norms?
 
 Dear Eliezer: