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@@ -72,9 +72,9 @@ The sheer number of hours we invested in this operation is _nuts_: desperate all
 
 what about _my_ mental health?
 
-Men who wish they were women do not particularly resemble actual women? We just—don't? This seems kind of obvious, really?
 
-my friend thinks I'm naive to have expected such a community—she was recommending "What You Can't Say" in 2009—but in 2009, we did not expect that _whether or not I should cut my dick off_ would _become_ a politicized issue, which is new evidence about the wisdom of the original vision
+Telling the difference between fantasy and reality is kind of an important life skill
+
 
 but if my expectations (about the community) were wrong, that's a problem with my model; reality doesn't have to care
 
@@ -86,6 +86,8 @@ the Church
 
 won't you be embarrassed to leave if we create utopia
 
+won't all those trans women be embarrassed after the singularity 
+
 invent a fake epistemology lesson
 
 we live in a world where reason doesn't work
@@ -279,10 +281,16 @@ I just don't _know how_ to tell the true tale of personal heartbreak without exp
 
 The "I can define the word 'woman' any way I want" argument is bullshit. All the actually-smart people know that it's bullshit at _some_ level, perhaps semi-consciously buried under a lot of cognitive dissonance. But it's _socially load-bearing_ bullshit that _not only_ does almost no one have an incentive to correct—
 
+
+
 But no one has the incentive to correct the mistake in public. 
 
+"woah, [toddler]'s learning about the facts of life
+[friend]'s explaining about how some parts usually get covered and about how some people don't have penises and stuff"
 "Some people don't have penises" ... can you be a little more specific?!
 
+same person: "people do tend to present as their genders"
+
 politicizing the question of what 2 + 2 should equal
 
 Aumann is an Orthodox Jew
@@ -462,3 +470,39 @@ cat/dog gaslighting; even if you don't particularly need that particular classif
 
 fame: arguing with a Discord server was low-impact compared to getting the leadership on board
 
+https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/CEGnJBHmkcwPTysb7/lonely-dissent
+
+
+https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/11/07/does-age-bring-wisdom/
+
+> Sometimes I can almost feel this happening. First I believe something is true, and say so. Then I realize it's considered low-status and cringeworthy. Then I make a principled decision to avoid saying it–or say it only in a very careful way–in order to protect my reputation and ability to participate in society. Then when other people say it, I start looking down on them for being bad at public relations. Then I start looking down on them just for being low-status or cringeworthy. Finally the idea of "low-status" and "bad and wrong" have merged so fully in my mind that the idea seems terrible and ridiculous to me, and I only remember it's true if I force myself to explicitly consider the question. And even then, it's in a condescending way, where I feel like the people who say it's true deserve low status for not being smart enough to remember not to say it. This is endemic, and I try to quash it when I notice it, but I don't know how many times it's slipped my notice all the way to the point where I can no longer remember the truth of the original statement.
+
+
+https://www.greaterwrong.com/posts/FBgozHEv7J72NCEPB/my-way#comment-W4TAp4LuW3Ev6QWSF
+> I am skeptical that either sex can ever really model and predict the other's deep internal life, short of computer-assisted telepathy. These are different brain designs we're talking about here.
+
+
+https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ctpkTaqTKbmm6uRgC/failed-utopia-4-2
+
+
+
+https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QZs4vkC7cbyjL9XA9/changing-emotions
+
+> Jun 18, 2008
+> this is too perfectly terrifying, too terrifyingly perfect
+>
+> My search for not-previously-read Eliezer Yudkowsky material was getting kind of pathetic--I'd gotten to the point of reading his old messages in the archives of the extropians mailing list. And then I read this:
+>
+> http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/2004-September/008924.html
+>
+> --and the worst thing is that I cannot adequately talk about my feelings. Am I shocked, liberated, relieved, scared, angry, amused? I'm not going to read the replies right now. I have work to do, and--and I'm too floored? _I'm just not built to handle this sort of thing_. I remain,
+>
+> Zachary Michael Davis
+
+Arguing with a specific person's published words is important, because otherwise you can strawman
+
+[Am I the asshole?](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/)
+
+(I told people that my father was coming to pick me up at the end of my 72-hour (== 3 days) evaluation period, but that it wasn't fair that I couldn't rescue everyone.)
+
+blegg commentary:  https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/GEJzPwY8JedcNX2qz/blegg-mode#aAgSDZ4ddHpzj9fNN