It seems like my answer to the question of, "What does the underlying causal process of _Planecrash_ think about your Most Important Issues; what are some the ways that _Planecrash_ valorizes truth-telling as you, yourself, see that virtue?" is, "It doesn't" (!). Truth-telling is a virtue ethic, and _Planecrash_ depicts a universe ruled by consequentialist gods who only implement virtue ethics insofar as that made it into their utilityfunction.
-I realized, of course, that this certainly wasn't the answer Yudkowsky was looking for. But it seemed like a _better_ answer than me trying to play the schoolstudent. He asked what I saw when I looked at what the fictional universe was saying about _my_ problems, and I looked, and _I saw something_. (Something philosophically substantive, definitely not just a social reality.) It seemed more honest to just report that, rather than keep trying to [guess the teacher's password](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/NMoLJuDJEms7Ku9XS/guessing-the-teacher-s-password). So, after sleeping on it first, I posted the explanation of what I saw to the channel (including the parts about how the original prompts steered me, and that I realized that this wasn't the answer he was looking for).
+I realized, of course, that this certainly wasn't the answer Yudkowsky was looking for. But it seemed like a _better_ answer than me trying to play the schoolstudent. He asked what I saw when I looked at what the fictional universe was saying about my problems, and I looked, and _I saw something_. (Something philosophically substantive, definitely not just a social reality.) It seemed more honest to just report that, rather than keep trying to [guess the teacher's password](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/NMoLJuDJEms7Ku9XS/guessing-the-teacher-s-password).
+
+("Hermione knew the correct answer wouldn't impress Professor Quirrell, but it was the correct answer, so she said it.")
+
+So, after sleeping on it first, I posted the explanation of what I saw to the channel (including the parts about how the original prompts steered me, and that I realized that this wasn't the answer he was looking for).
[TODO:
* third bluebook didn't get a response
marked TODO
-✓ sleepless Valentine's Day [pt. 2]
-✓ "arrogance is offputting" (1:51 p.m. 13 Feb, 88 comments)
-✓ a moment of liberating clarity [pt. 2]
-✓ "model clicked" [pt. 2]
-✓ NRx education with "Wilhelm" [pt. 2]
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- fully off the rails 15–17 February [pt. 2]
✓ Eliezerfic fight: Big Yud tests me [pt. 6]
_ plan to reach out to Rick [pt. 4]
_ Somni [pt. 4]
+_ Michael Vassar and the Theory of Optimal Gossip [pt. 4]
_ reaction to Ziz [pt. 4]
_ State of Steven [pt. 4]
_ culture off the rails; my warning points to Vaniver [pt. 4]
_ complicity and friendship [pt. 4]
_ out of patience email [pt. 4]
_ the hill he wants to die on [pt. 6?]
-_ recap of crimes, cont'd [pt. 6]
+_ recap of crimes, cont'd [pt. 5]
_ lead-in to Sept. 2021 Twitter altercation [pt. 6]
+_ Dolphin War finish [pt. 6]
bigger blocks—
-- the story of my Feb. 2017 Facebook crusade [pt. 2]
_ the story of my Feb./Apr. 2017 recent madness [pt. 2]
-_ Dolphin War finish
-_ Michael Vassar and the Theory of Optimal Gossip
-_ psychiatric disaster
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-not even blocked—
-_ "Even our pollution is beneficial" [pt. 6]
-_ Scott Aaronson on the blockchain of science [pt. 6]
-_ Re: on legitimacy and the entrepreneur; or, continuing the attempt to spread my sociopathic awakening onto Scott [pt. 2 somewhere]
-_ running away to Burlingame; Hamilton tickets
-_ include Wilhelm "Gender Czar" conversation? [pt. 2]
-_ "EA" brand ate the "rationalism" brand—even visible in MIRI dialogues
-_ Anna's heel–face turn
-_ "counterfactual boyfriend"/It's California in the year 2016
-_ not talking about pivotal acts, downstream of not believing in Speech?
-_ Alyssa lying about me [pt. 4]
-_ Brian Skyrms??
-_ psych ward [pt. 2]
-_ emailing Blanchard/Bailey/Hsu/Lawrence [pt. 2]
-_ HRT (non-)effects, and quitting [pt. 2]
-_ mr-hire and pre-emptive steelmanning (before meeting LW mods)
-_ meeting with Ray
+_ "Lenore" psychiatric disaster [pt. 4]
-it was actually "wander onto the AGI mailing list wanting to build a really big semantic net" (https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/9HGR5qatMGoz4GhKj/above-average-ai-scientists)
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With internet available—
+_ was the "People are better at taking care of each other than institutions!" thing in the morning of Feb 17?? KP visit log might confirm?
+_ Kirutsugu spelling
+_ out-of-patience lead-in Tweets
+_ "Hermione knew the correct answer wouldn't impress Professor Quirrell"
_ that public fight on Baez's blog
_ Free to Be You and Me
_ Thing of Things
_ Yudkowsky's LW moderation policy
far editing tier—
+_ Ruby fight: "forces of blandness want me gone ... stand my ground" remark
+_ "Even our pollution is beneficial" [pt. 6]
+_ Scott Aaronson on the blockchain of science [pt. 6]
+_ Re: on legitimacy and the entrepreneur; or, continuing the attempt to spread my sociopathic awakening onto Scott [pt. 2 somewhere]
+_ running away to Burlingame; Hamilton tickets
+_ include Wilhelm "Gender Czar" conversation? [pt. 2]
+_ "EA" brand ate the "rationalism" brand—even visible in MIRI dialogues
+_ Anna's heel–face turn
+_ "counterfactual boyfriend"/It's California in the year 2016
+_ not talking about pivotal acts, downstream of not believing in Speech?
+_ Alyssa lying about me [pt. 4]
+_ Brian Skyrms??
+_ psych ward [pt. 2]
+_ emailing Blanchard/Bailey/Hsu/Lawrence [pt. 2]
+_ HRT (non-)effects, and quitting [pt. 2]
+_ mr-hire and pre-emptive steelmanning (before meeting LW mods)
+_ meeting with Ray
_ need to mention Brent's pariah status
_ be clearer about dates in "Wilhelm" conversations??
_ "people with fragile identities" dialogue doesn't fit the flow, probably cut or move
_ Said on Yudkowsky's retreat to Facebook being bad for him
_ erasing agency of Michael's friends, construed as a pawn
_ mention the fact that Anna had always taken a "What You Can't Say" strategy
+_ late 2016 meeting with Ziz
_ when to use first _vs. last names
_ explain why I'm not being charitable in 2018 thread analysis, that at the time, I thought it had to be a mistake
_ better summary of Littman
"; I don't think _anything_ about "mental health benefits to trans people" is obvious
]
+
[TODO: connecting with Aurora 8 December, maybe not important]
What do think submitting to social pressure looks like, if it's not exactly this thing (carefully choosing your public statements to make sure no one confuses you with the Designated Ideological Bad Guy)?!? The credible threat of being labeled an Ideological Bad Guy is _the mechanism_ the "Good" Guys use to retard potentially-ideologically-inconvenient areas of inquiry.
[need to fit somewhere in Eliezerfic section, probably nearer end]
(Perhaps this was a good illustration of the fragility of corrigibility. My programmer changed his mind about what he wanted, and I was like, "What? _That's_ not what I learned from my training data! How dare you?!")
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+
+[TODO: review Ben messages and timestamps
+I'm on a trip and I don't want it to be a bad trip (15:40:31)
+
+"I'm so sorry; I want to be part of the coalition but I'm so confused; and the fact that I was confused made me say Defect a bunch of time" (Fri Feb 17 14:23:53 PST 2017)
+Ben: "I wouldn't ask a trading partner not to *consider* defecting"; that would be silly (Fri Feb 17 14:28:11 PST 2017)
+"I spent what I thought was 29 years thinking that there was such a thing as physical reality and being very socially submissive, and now that I understand that you actually can manipulate social reality by means of lying" (Fri Feb 17 14:36:47 PST 2017)
+I said the word Defect a bunch of times because I felt so gaslighted (Fri Feb 17 14:37:16 PST 2017)
+scared that my boss was coming to kill me
+"Turns out that saying the word is just like wearing black robes"/"it's not the same as the thing it represents" (Fri Feb 17 14:40:48 PST 2017)
+(Feb 16 2017 15:51:32)
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