* the trouble with stickers
* Norton story gaps
+REMAINING POINTS—
-OUTLINE OF TAIL END—
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- * dysphoria could me more than one thing
- * in fact, it is more than one thing, per BBL
- * and you can believe this even if you think the AGP story is wrong, I'm
- depending on the weaker claim that the non-exclusively-androphilic
- cluster is not an intersex condition: they start out male-typical
+ * (say) Caitlyn Jenner and Janet Mock don't _look_ like the same thing
* passing is _hard_
- * incl. my quip about "men who love what we _wish_ women were, and want to
- become _that_"
* explicitly address the "Puerto Rican women don't have exactly the same
distribution as women as a whole, but they're still women" argument
(distribution of MtTs isn't just different from women as a whole, it's
actually part of the _male_ cluster, which people already have a concept
for)
* link "Blegg Mode" somewhere
+ * link http://johnsalvatier.org/blog/2017/reality-has-a-surprising-amount-of-detail
+ * link http://lesswrong.com/lw/xe/changing_emotions/
+ * the mismatch gets _worse_ with less gatekeeping
+ * "gay" trans women are etiologically straight
+ * high dimensional spaces
- * "Portland"-like places have lots of trans women, and this has consequences for actual women—
- * secret clothing swaps
- * bathrooms
- * sports, prisons, medicine
* weird social taboos, stickers
* no matter what policy decision you ultimately decide on, you need to be
honest about the trade-offs, rather than appealing to the idiot sophistry
of "Trans women are women, by definition"
- * notice that re race, we _do_ say "don't care about costs to bigots"
- * Emperor Norton
+ * address "This never happens"
If you need a sticker to get people to gender you correctly, _your transition has failed_.
While a minority of trans women in Western countries fit the "classical transsexual" profile of being attracted to men, displaying lifelong female-typical social behavior and interests, and transitioning early. But the majority don't fit this pattern.
-(To interested readers who only have time to read one paper, I recommend Anne Lawrence's ["Autogynephilia and the Typology of Male-to-Female Transsexualism: Concepts and Controversies"](http://unremediatedgender.space/papers/lawrence-agp_and_typology.pdf) For a more exhaustive treatment, see Lawrence's book [_Men Trapped in Men's Bodies_](https://surveyanon.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/men-trapped-in-mens-bodies_book.pdf) or follow the links and citations in [Kay Brown's FAQ](https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/faq-on-the-science/).)
+A review of the empirical evidence supporting the two-type taxonomy is regrettably outside the scope of this post. To interested or skeptical readers who only have time to read one paper, I recommend Lawrence's ["Autogynephilia and the Typology of Male-to-Female Transsexualism: Concepts and Controversies"](http://unremediatedgender.space/papers/lawrence-agp_and_typology.pdf) For a more exhaustive treatment, see Lawrence's book [_Men Trapped in Men's Bodies_](https://surveyanon.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/men-trapped-in-mens-bodies_book.pdf) or follow the links and citations in [Kay Brown's FAQ](https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/faq-on-the-science/).
+
[caveats: take care to note that it's possible to believe in a weaker form of it: maybe you agree to the bimodality in the data, but don't think it's two discrete etiological types; or, maybe you [agree that there are two etiologies, but](https://thingofthings.wordpress.com/2017/04/18/against-blanchardianism/) don't buy that AGP is the cause]
blue, egg-shaped | furry, flexible | glows, contains vanadium
red, cube-shaped | smooth, hard | unglowing, contains palladium
-link John Salvatier on "Reality has a surprising amount of detail": http://johnsalvatier.org/blog/2017/reality-has-a-surprising-amount-of-detail
from my SEXNET message—
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+Jenner transitioned at age 65
+married to women three times, fathered six children
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+From my Reddit comment just now (the same point I've been aware of for a decade, but don't have in its own post anywhere; the "starting to look more like" phrasing may be new)—
+
+Consider an illustrative diagram in which there is a hard line in the combined height–weight configuration space, but the line isn't describable in terms of height or weight alone. If there were sufficiently many more traits/dimensions, we could imagine "not describable in terms of some small number of variables n" starting to look more like "not explicitly describable by humans."