From: M. Taylor Saotome-Westlake Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 06:44:57 +0000 (-0800) Subject: check in notes X-Git-Url: http://unremediatedgender.space/source?a=commitdiff_plain;h=e521fe59d42d668fbac6026fa9caefbc35f32f09;p=Ultimately_Untrue_Thought.git check in notes --- diff --git a/notes/categories-notes.md b/notes/categories-notes.md index 8de3fe2..6011567 100644 --- a/notes/categories-notes.md +++ b/notes/categories-notes.md @@ -4,34 +4,27 @@ REMAINING SEGMENTS TO FILL— * the trouble with stickers * Norton story gaps +REMAINING POINTS— -OUTLINE OF TAIL END— - - * dysphoria could me more than one thing - * in fact, it is more than one thing, per BBL - * and you can believe this even if you think the AGP story is wrong, I'm - depending on the weaker claim that the non-exclusively-androphilic - cluster is not an intersex condition: they start out male-typical + * (say) Caitlyn Jenner and Janet Mock don't _look_ like the same thing * passing is _hard_ - * incl. my quip about "men who love what we _wish_ women were, and want to - become _that_" * explicitly address the "Puerto Rican women don't have exactly the same distribution as women as a whole, but they're still women" argument (distribution of MtTs isn't just different from women as a whole, it's actually part of the _male_ cluster, which people already have a concept for) * link "Blegg Mode" somewhere + * link http://johnsalvatier.org/blog/2017/reality-has-a-surprising-amount-of-detail + * link http://lesswrong.com/lw/xe/changing_emotions/ + * the mismatch gets _worse_ with less gatekeeping + * "gay" trans women are etiologically straight + * high dimensional spaces - * "Portland"-like places have lots of trans women, and this has consequences for actual women— - * secret clothing swaps - * bathrooms - * sports, prisons, medicine * weird social taboos, stickers * no matter what policy decision you ultimately decide on, you need to be honest about the trade-offs, rather than appealing to the idiot sophistry of "Trans women are women, by definition" - * notice that re race, we _do_ say "don't care about costs to bigots" - * Emperor Norton + * address "This never happens" If you need a sticker to get people to gender you correctly, _your transition has failed_. @@ -108,7 +101,8 @@ This is a question about what sort of social norms we want to establish, and dif While a minority of trans women in Western countries fit the "classical transsexual" profile of being attracted to men, displaying lifelong female-typical social behavior and interests, and transitioning early. But the majority don't fit this pattern. -(To interested readers who only have time to read one paper, I recommend Anne Lawrence's ["Autogynephilia and the Typology of Male-to-Female Transsexualism: Concepts and Controversies"](http://unremediatedgender.space/papers/lawrence-agp_and_typology.pdf) For a more exhaustive treatment, see Lawrence's book [_Men Trapped in Men's Bodies_](https://surveyanon.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/men-trapped-in-mens-bodies_book.pdf) or follow the links and citations in [Kay Brown's FAQ](https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/faq-on-the-science/).) +A review of the empirical evidence supporting the two-type taxonomy is regrettably outside the scope of this post. To interested or skeptical readers who only have time to read one paper, I recommend Lawrence's ["Autogynephilia and the Typology of Male-to-Female Transsexualism: Concepts and Controversies"](http://unremediatedgender.space/papers/lawrence-agp_and_typology.pdf) For a more exhaustive treatment, see Lawrence's book [_Men Trapped in Men's Bodies_](https://surveyanon.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/men-trapped-in-mens-bodies_book.pdf) or follow the links and citations in [Kay Brown's FAQ](https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/faq-on-the-science/). + [caveats: take care to note that it's possible to believe in a weaker form of it: maybe you agree to the bimodality in the data, but don't think it's two discrete etiological types; or, maybe you [agree that there are two etiologies, but](https://thingofthings.wordpress.com/2017/04/18/against-blanchardianism/) don't buy that AGP is the cause] @@ -264,7 +258,6 @@ features | features | features blue, egg-shaped | furry, flexible | glows, contains vanadium red, cube-shaped | smooth, hard | unglowing, contains palladium -link John Salvatier on "Reality has a surprising amount of detail": http://johnsalvatier.org/blog/2017/reality-has-a-surprising-amount-of-detail from my SEXNET message— @@ -286,3 +279,11 @@ Another (cis) female friend of the blog writes: ---- +Jenner transitioned at age 65 +married to women three times, fathered six children + +----- + +From my Reddit comment just now (the same point I've been aware of for a decade, but don't have in its own post anywhere; the "starting to look more like" phrasing may be new)— + +Consider an illustrative diagram in which there is a hard line in the combined height–weight configuration space, but the line isn't describable in terms of height or weight alone. If there were sufficiently many more traits/dimensions, we could imagine "not describable in terms of some small number of variables n" starting to look more like "not explicitly describable by humans." diff --git a/notes/notes.txt b/notes/notes.txt index aad63d4..6f3a0fc 100644 --- a/notes/notes.txt +++ b/notes/notes.txt @@ -48,7 +48,6 @@ push back against the global narrative without pushing back against any particul you delusional bastards— * I Want to See You Be Brave -* Don't Negotiate With Terrorist Memeplexes; Or, Why I Don't Care About Your Feelings * Yes, the Only Real Trans Woman Is a Transitioned Trans Woman (critique of https://medium.com/@jencoates/i-am-a-transwoman-i-am-in-the-closet-i-am-not-coming-out-4c2dd1907e42#.5dlc2qog6) * Review of Nevada @@ -475,7 +474,7 @@ Carrie Zelda-Michelle Davis - Today at 12:04 AM to say on FB after "The Categories" is finished?? -So, hopefully this version is a lot clearer and less needlessly provacative than the kamikaze halt-melt-catch-fire public mental breakdown of this time last year: [blog link] +So, hopefully this version is a lot clearer and less needlessly dramatic than my kamikaze halt-melt-catch-fire public tantrum/mental-breakdown of this time last year: [blog link] [share memory]