From 3175a7257200e57001dffdc0ffb8315035e8a7be Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: "M. Taylor Saotome-Westlake" Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2022 12:01:22 -0800 Subject: [PATCH] check in --- content/drafts/challenges-coda.md | 10 ++-------- ...challenges-to-yudkowskys-pronoun-reform-proposal.md | 2 +- notes/a-hill-of-validity-sections.md | 10 ++++++++++ notes/notes.txt | 2 ++ 4 files changed, 15 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-) diff --git a/content/drafts/challenges-coda.md b/content/drafts/challenges-coda.md index a92becb..65fde0a 100644 --- a/content/drafts/challenges-coda.md +++ b/content/drafts/challenges-coda.md @@ -1,14 +1,8 @@ -Title: "Challenges" Coda +Title: Postscript to "Challenges" Date: 2022-01-01 11:00 Category: commentary Tags: Eliezer Yudkowsky Status: draft -> Say to the court, it glows -> And shines like rotten wood; -> Say to the church, it shows -> What's good, and doth no good: -> If church and court reply, -> Then give them both the lie. +**Postscript** -[Maybe I'm not moving it into a separate post/comment after all ...] diff --git a/content/drafts/challenges-to-yudkowskys-pronoun-reform-proposal.md b/content/drafts/challenges-to-yudkowskys-pronoun-reform-proposal.md index 02b28e9..00350b6 100644 --- a/content/drafts/challenges-to-yudkowskys-pronoun-reform-proposal.md +++ b/content/drafts/challenges-to-yudkowskys-pronoun-reform-proposal.md @@ -309,7 +309,7 @@ Really, "I do not know what it feels like from the inside to feel like a pronoun At this point, some readers may be puzzled as to the _mood_ of the present post. I _agree_ with Yudkowsky's analysis of the design flaw in English's pronoun system. I _also_ agree that not misgendering trans people is a completely reasonable thing to do, which I also do. I'm _only_ disputing the part where Yudkowsky jumps to declaring his proposed "simplest and best protocol" without acknowledging the ways in which it's _not_ simple and not _unambiguously_ the best. -Many observers would consider this a very minor disagreement, not something anyone would want to spend 12,000 words prosecuting with as much vitriolic rhetoric as the target audience is likely to tolerate. If I agree with the problem statement (pronouns shouldn't denote sex, that's dumb; why would you define a language that way), and I don't disagree with the proposed policy solution (don't misgender trans people in public), why get so hung up on the exact arguments? +Many observers would consider this a very minor disagreement, not something anyone would want to spend 13,500 words prosecuting with as much vitriolic rhetoric as the target audience is likely to tolerate. If I agree with the problem statement (pronouns shouldn't denote sex, that's dumb; why would you define a language that way), and I don't disagree with the proposed policy solution (don't misgender trans people in public), why get so hung up on the exact arguments? (I mean, _besides_ [the fact that it's arguments that matter rather than conclusions, as a completely general principle of correct cognition](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/34XxbRFe54FycoCDw/the-bottom-line).) diff --git a/notes/a-hill-of-validity-sections.md b/notes/a-hill-of-validity-sections.md index ae01aa6..efcef00 100644 --- a/notes/a-hill-of-validity-sections.md +++ b/notes/a-hill-of-validity-sections.md @@ -527,6 +527,7 @@ https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/15/865 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10445679/Lia-Thomas-UPenn-teammate-says-trans-swimmer-doesnt-cover-genitals-locker-room.html https://twitter.com/sharrond62/status/1495802345380356103 Lia Thomas event coverage https://www.realityslaststand.com/p/weekly-recap-lia-thomas-birth-certificates Zippy inv. cluster graph! +https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/a-look-at-the-numbers-and-times-no-denying-the-advantages-of-lia-thomas/ ] In light of these _empirical_ observations, Yudkowsky's suggestion that an ignorant comittment to an "Aristotelian binary" is the main reason someone might care about the integrity of women's sports, is revealed as an absurd strawman. This just isn't something any scientifically-literate person would write if they had actually thought about the issue _at all_, as contrasted to having _first_ decided (consciously or not) to bolster one's reputation among progressives by dunking on transphobes on Twitter, and wielding one's philosophy knowledge in the service of that political goal. The relevant empirical facts are _not subtle_, even if most people don't have the fancy vocabulary to talk about them in terms of "multivariate trait distributions". @@ -936,3 +937,12 @@ https://www.readthesequences.com/ > the challenge is almost entirely about high integrity communication by small groups https://twitter.com/HiFromMichaelV/status/1486044326618710018 + +https://www.glowfic.com/replies/1769064#reply-1769064 +> "Dath ilani education is for having children grow up correctly. None of it, that I know, is about how to safely repair children who grew up wrong." +It would be nice if children in rationalist Berkeley could grow up correctly + +congrats after Whale and Sawyer chimed in: https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1435706946158432258 + +https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1404700330927923206 +> That is: there's a story here where not just particular people hounding Zack as a responsive target, but a whole larger group, are engaged in a dark conspiracy that is all about doing damage on issues legible to Zack and important to Zack. This is merely implausible on priors. diff --git a/notes/notes.txt b/notes/notes.txt index eea4e00..1686c32 100644 --- a/notes/notes.txt +++ b/notes/notes.txt @@ -3023,3 +3023,5 @@ I said, "if http://unremediatedgender.space/ ever gets popular, I expect to be s go-to link for "current year" trope: https://www.theonion.com/report-stating-current-year-still-leading-argument-for-1819576151 Neuroscience notes! Read later for sure! https://archive.fo/2022.01.30-175531/https://twitter.com/SammySammyStagg/status/1487825532700049408 + +https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/in23jm/i_am_worried_that_my_doctor_might_believe_in_agp/ -- 2.17.1