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fragments—

O Wad Some Power the Giftie Gie Us; Or, the Identity Dysphoria Trap (school dysphoria)

Reuknighted (C. being really curious about my hair "It's complicated." "I think it sets me apart from other guys." Were we ever really living in the same world?)

reanalysis of Lawrence data!!!

Entangled Truths, Contagious Lies (Transgender Edition)
(Eugenics Is Really Important, You Delusional Bastards)
The Aristocrats
Yalta (https://transblog.grieve-smith.com/the-essential-conflict/ "What's in it for me?" "You're the one who doesn't believe in personal identity—you should be happy for us")
Fertility
Externalize Everything
"I Will Fight for the Place Where I'm Free"; Or, Stop Praising Steven Universe for LGBT Representation
Worlds Collide

El Goonish Shive  (http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=2328 http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1895)

Choir

"The Distance Between Mars and Venus: Measuring Global Sex Differences in Personality" http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0029265

Stop Expecting Social Reality to Make Sense

re simple models are better: https://evolutionistx.wordpress.com/2017/01/12/conservatives-over-generalize-liberals-under-generalize/

clumpy thingspace!— https://darwinianreactionary.wordpress.com/2014/05/23/race-and-realism-part-2/

Michael Arc says: "some sort of discussion of the double standard while unambiguously attaching Trump and lampshading 'Locker Room Talk' would probably be valuable"

Micahel Arc on nerds anchoring on explicit norms: http://lesswrong.com/lw/sq/a_genius_for_destruction/m5g 

Flipping the Frame

Blanchardian Truth Serum— "Bayesian Truth Serum" scoring assigns more weight to "surprisingly popular" answers. Doesn't work when people are self-deceptive, I think?—in Veale's data, people think AGP applies to other people, not them
https://nelmit.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/bts.pdf
http://www.jaimieveale.com/publications/Masters.pdf (p. 82)


push back against the global narrative without pushing back against any particular individual narrative


- meta-political—
* The View From Nowhere
* As Well for a Sheep as a Lamb (polarizing tribal forces—because only bad ppl talk about AGP, you need to be very DGAF about politics in order to not be locked out of the correct explanation—and even then, socialization forces might turn you against your own ppl, something I have to be wary of)
* The Spirit of Compromise; you can't take away transition technology; if you say it can only be used for dysphoria and not fetish, that creates an enormous incentive for self-delusion; even if someone like Kay would prefer that AGPs don't transition, at least getting ppl to admit that there are two types is a next step; maybe _after_ the trans rights movement has won, _then_ suddenly people will feel free to be non-delusional; "partial autogynephilia" may be partially GAMP, but a lot of it is compromise 

you delusional bastards—
* I Want to See You Be Brave
* Yes, the Only Real Trans Woman Is a Transitioned Trans Woman (critique of https://medium.com/@jencoates/i-am-a-transwoman-i-am-in-the-closet-i-am-not-coming-out-4c2dd1907e42#.5dlc2qog6) 
* Review of Nevada

the phenomenon—
* Survey of a Crossdreamscape and Why This Is Pretty Obviously Not What Cis Women Feel About Themselves
* Blanchard's Dangerous Idea and the Plight of the Lucid Crossdreamer; Or, Could Self-Reports Really Be That Wrong??
* Reduce Gender Identities to Gender Goals ("trans" vs. "cis" only makes sense if the gradient between full-transition intervention and no intervention is sufficiently sharp)

epistemology—
* The Neglect of Probability Fallacy; Or, You Do Not Have an Intersex Condition
*  (if not super-femme, there must be some other reason ...)
* High-Dimensional Social Science and the Cluster Concept of Concepts
* Stereotypes, Models, and Cognition
* Mary's Room (we have calibration to know that we're probably mostly seeing the same colors up to colorblindness and tetrachromacy, but ppl probably don't mean the same thing by "gender dysphoria" or "identity", or "sexual orientation" (ref pseudobisexuality); the map is not the territory)
* Simple Models Plus Noise Are Better Than Pretending Not to Have a Model (because personal identity doesn't exist, comparing notes with other people and being able to learn from _their_ mistakes is more useful than just saying "everyone has their own experience")


other commentary—
psychological sex differences aren't real, but gender identity is?? always nurture except when politically convenient
Bucketing (go through Wikipedia list of trans women, categorize everyone)
horror story about trans activists being pro-porn, &c. indicating how aliens would analyze them as a subtype of males
* Engineering possibilities (Anne Lawrence identitfy early); people say they wish they could have transitioned younger if they knew it were possible (https://twitter.com/argumentshop/status/815633404943183872), but part of the reason people don't know it's possible is because AGP fantasy is the strongest diagnostic criterion and everyone is lying about this
rachet effect (http://transblog.grieve-smith.com/the-slippery-slope/) (I can't imagine self with short hair)
My Story
* Collective Debt, Collective Shame (what I wanted to say to /r/GenderCritical, why it didn't work, even if they're not so hostile towards Miranda Yardley or the androphilic MtTs who post)
* Someone Has To Say It
* Falsifiability and What We Expect Not to See (this is important for the Bayes crowd)
* critique Julia Serano on nature: of course trans genders are less natural; that's the entire fucking point
* wait, even Julia Serano can't find cis women to date?? http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/14/the-struggle-to-find-trans-love-in-san-francisco.html (I would expect the status boost of being a B-list activist would help; less high-status trans women have even less of a chance)
* the intellectually-honest, transhumanist version of trans rights
* "Entangled Truths, Contagious Lies": https://autogynephiliatruth.wordpress.com/2016/07/18/gender-identity-exists-to-create-special-framework-for-health-insurance-payments/ 

criticism—
Gender of the Gaps (you can always propose an essence when people knock down your ludicrous rationalization)
Time Travel Isn't Real

cathartic—
Napoleon
70s denialists had it right

pages—
compile papers


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Getting It Right the First Time
Psychological Theories Predict Behavior, Not Just Self-Reports
My Delusional Paraphilia Is the Best Delusional Paraphilia in the World
Dual-Role Transvestism for the 21st Century
 (I pass as college educated)

 
my upsetness at trans activists not respecting _my_ lived experience as AGP is reminicent of narcisstic rage in ppl hwo 

at some point, I want to work in the idea that AGP is a good thing because it's a pro-androgyny force in a world that is otherwise way too gendered for my tastes

counterfeit utility

because we're not narcissists http://elegantgatheringofwhitesnows.com/?p=2270

euphoric effects of E are a placebo effect! https://autogynephiliatruth.wordpress.com/about/#comment-155

very vague childhood memory of wanting to play with my pecs? Is it real??

I'm happy for people to rebuild their lives around a paraphilia. I'm not happy for people to rebuild their lives around a _bad explanation_.

The Girl in the Mirror
The Hand I Was Dealt
A Man With a Transfeminine Side
The Man With the Nonstandard Hormone Balance

not a masculine, macho man, but, you know, the biologically-male kind of man

https://transwidow.wordpress.com/2016/01/25/the-masculinity-of-mtf-transition/

Blanchard tweets me: https://twitter.com/BlanchardPhD/status/830580552562524160

the story about being on the Portland MAX train and talking to Dap, and then saying hi to the woman 

marketing opportunity? https://bannedbytrans.wordpress.com/speaking-out-against-transactivist-silencing-tactics/

_Someone_ has to be _that asshole_ who says the true thing that everyone else is too cowardly to say, and I guess it's going to have to be me, Taylor Saotome-Westlake.

tailcalled's survey: https://www.reddit.com/r/GCdebatesQT/comments/6hp72p/are_agps_misogynist_results_from_a_survey/

"I was already presenting as female online, and in the pretty niche stuff I was playing around with it seemed like I was a novelty to devs. I got more than a few questions about how I was a girl – who liked computers! The tone was always friendly, but the undertone was clear: I was weird." https://modelviewculture.com/pieces/there-and-back-again (The devs' surprise is making a _correct prediction_)

sorry Dad https://twitter.com/HandOnHilt/status/876880147152072704

http://www.translucidcomic.com/comic/the-pair/

too picky http://pbfcomics.com/comics/matched/

(early play behavior predicts later aggression) https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-017-1005-6
(empathizing and systematizing) http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0031661

https://twitter.com/arthur_affect/status/883902728849809409 "being nice to people with a weird disorder but not so nice you forget you're just humoring them" (Yes, exactly)

women do worse on Asch; in contrast, trans women are _selected_ for nonconformity

original research post?— the Hsu–Bailey autopedophilia paper finds a much higher rate of ETLE in pedophiles than in normal men (they say they found 15% AGP in the Mechanical Turk sample gathered for their earlier psychometrics-of-AGP work, but oddly, the psychometrics-of-AGP paper doesn't seem to mention this?? Maybe ask Bailey to clarify sometime??); could this be evidence for the developmental competition effect? (Pedophiles thankfully don't get to actualize their desires, so they fall into ETLI instead?) Similarly, concerning the high IQ of AGP trans women not just being a selection effect: maybe it's because smart people don't get laid (remember that study about a huge fraction of MIT grad students being virgins)

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0118329

Inherent Trade-Offs in risk scoring https://arxiv.org/abs/1609.05807 (via https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/6xkyyu/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_following/dmk92dw/)

prental T and gynephilia in women and women-adj https://twitter.com/SteveStuWill/status/905572666332987392 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0018506X16301222

http://www.misfile.com/?date=2007-07-05

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-017-0120-x

body measurements dist'ns http://anthro.cs.uni-freiburg.de/#colx=100&coly=6

same-sex couples do less assortative mating! https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2843104/


On Mar 4, 2017 3:23 PM, "Zack M. Davis" <main@zackmdavis.net> wrote:

    Genocide is murder of a class of people. Can you be more specific about the class of people you see being murdered (nerdy men?) and what you think is murdering them (the political-correctness memeplex that evolved as a social-control mechanism to prevent the United States from becoming Yugoslavia)?

    I'm guessing you see a picture where the underlying bug in male sexual psychology that leads to AGP would be far less likely to progress to "gender dysphoria"/actually-doing-something-about-it in a world where it was socially-acceptable for highly-verbal 13-year-old boys to seek out sex instead of taking the you're-not-allowed-to-try verbal rules seriously? I agree with this; Blanchard calls this "developmental competition." It's notable that Robert Heinlein's novels have some very strong AGP themes, but I'm not aware of any evidence that he actually did anything about it real life, whereas I, growing up 80 years later, am about to and feel like it's the right choice on reflection given my historically-anomalous developmental trajectory, even though it probably looks like ideologically-driven self-harm from the perspective of normal men.

    And you think that if the forces of political correctness win and "trans" becomes an entrenched cultural practice, that's like genociding future generations of Robert Heinlein analogues? Whereas from inside the trans-rights social-reality bubble, it looks like you're trying to genocide future generations of Julia Serano analogues. (Julia Serano is a prominent trans activist and author of one of the standard articles that get cited to try to "debunk" autogynephilia.) And from inside my Zack-M.-Davis-personal-eclectic-ideology-bubble, I want to rescue the Julia Serano aesthetic in a way that's compatible with knowledge of science and history. (Robert Heinlein was scientifically- and historically-literate, and Julia Serano is an ignorant ideologue, but Robert Heinlein was a manly man who was OK with being a manly man as his social identity and that's just not my style.)
     
    On 2017-03-04 14:12, Michael Vassar wrote:
>     The ACLU needs to address how plausible the arguments for censorship are.  People accepting censorship need to address arguments about how real the harms are. As far as I can tell, you are three maximally concrete and articulate case of a person harness by PC in a context where an impartial summary would call it attempted genocide

"Years before that, two different transwomen I knew had pressured me into sending nude photos of my breasts to them." https://4thwavenow.com/2016/04/27/shrinking-to-survive-a-former-trans-man-reports-on-life-inside-queer-youth-culture/


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Cut from quitting-hormones post (too repetitive given the rest of the blog?)—

I think I would prefer not to say it. But given [cultural](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ManIFeelLikeAWoman) and [scholarly]((https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15859369)) evidence that the underlying psychological phenomenon is not that uncommon, and given that trans rights is perhaps _the_ culture war issue of our time, of which the psychological phenomenon is of some relevance to, _someone has to say it_.

And I guess it's going to have to be me, Taylor Saotome-Westlake.

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Tail: "zack logic: I don't want an AGP wife because they act too male and that'd be insufficiently female-aligned, I want a cis wife who acts like an AGP wife instead
have you considered just giving in to the AGP life?"

'conditional on "we somehow eliminate all homophobia and bullying of gnc people and so on", how realistic does the following sound?
Gay men no longer repress their GNC, which means they end up socially a lot more like HSTS trans women. (Exactly like HSTS trans women? Or would they be different because lower h on average?) This switches the west to """transgender homosexuality""", as, uh, the newHSTSs (that is, the HSTS-spectrum people who're now feminine in that society but aren't in ours) are now less attractive to each other but more attractive to straight men, and the straight men are less opposed to having sex with them because less homophobia. The newHSTSs are probably going to use HRT, if nothing else then because it makes them more attractive to straight men
because that's the impression I got from TMWWBQ'

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The problem is not social engineering! The problem is _incompetent_ social engineering! The problem is not experimenting on children! The problem is experimenting on children in the service of an ideological crusade rather than in the service of finding out what happens!

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> And in the online communities I encountered on my journey, and still follow today, I see the same question, repeated over and over, as sweet scared humans pour their vulnerability into a text box, entrusting a group of strangers to help them make the decision of a lifetime:
> 
> What if this is just a fetish?
>
> —https://medium.com/gender-shrug/just-1b8c09a11f18

https://player.fm/series/opening-up-behind-the-scenes-of-our-open-marriage/8-johns-kink-with-consequences


https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/72vi36/foia_request_for_wansink_emails_show_how_an_ivy/dnmp0q9/ (relate to Conchran on lost knowledge?)


Vee String review: still ... noticeably not part of my body.

(That was the same thing I thought about breastforms. Considering how that escalted, maybe it would be better for my health and bodily integrity to not pursue this line of thinking ...)

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tail: secretly, all AGP trans women are clockable because you can just look at the hobbies

https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/78zw2h/how_many_of_you_were_confused_by_a_transformation/

He has a wife and kids to support (if this is 1998) or her FFS bill to pay off (if this is (2018)

etymology fun fact: "male" comes from the Latin malus, meaning "bad"

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on a Facebook thread about female-dominated gym classes, a female acquaintance writes, "My class focuses on weightlifting and it's still all women (including one trans, oddly enough)." (You wouldn't say "oddly enough" if you actually believed that trans women are women!)

This is so great (super-AGP 13th century Jewish narrative)
http://www.on1foot.org/text/even-bochan-kalonymus-ben-kalonymus
http://www.transtorah.org/PDFs/On-Becoming-A-Woman.pdf

https://theestablishment.co/yes-trans-women-can-get-period-symptoms-e43a43979e8c

Rya comes out as AGP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ferdf6iRTOg

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I really hope there's a way to use frequencies and Bayes nets to disprove dysphoria→AGP causal direction, particularly because then I'll be able to call the post "Algebraic Typology"

I thought of this pun first/independently: https://twitter.com/WildStoryWoman/status/927514752405737474

BIID: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/28711223/?i=1&from=body%20integrity%20identity%20disorder

the heartbreaking misogyny of my native subculture (not that I'm any different): https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/7bjywe/wellness_wednesday_8th_november_2017/dpitpnu/

Christian AGP repressor: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG7sNHEv-HMKwGQE9RS2byQ

Binnie-ism: https://twitter.com/FioraAeterna/status/928664101013790720

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but now I'm watching TV
and I have a new actress crush
Lauren Ash
maybe it's just the character she's playing, but she seems slightly facially masculinized?
but so curvy
so my type
America Ferrera is also in this show
I remember her from Ugly Betty, which I would watch at the University in 2007
before the personality-altering nervous breadown that led me to quit
there was a trans woman character on that show, but she was played by Rebecca Romijn
there was a poignant line (you know it's poignant when you can remember a line from a TV show you saw ten years ago) where she says to her brother, "Look into my eyes, Danny; it's the only thing they couldn't change"
and how do I put this
my blog would sound a lot less transphobic if we had the technology to make AGPs look like Rebecca Romijn
Trent - Today at 11:17 PM
it would sound more transphobic, no? you'd have transitioned, so you wouldn't be concerned with some of the signalling you do now (e.g. woman as a gender rather than transwoman as one) and may indeed be actively signalling that you haven't signed the contract, Yardley-style; the idea it'd be less transphobic assumes becoming Romijn would put you more in line with trans topics as well
(unless I'm misinterpreting something, which is a reasonable assumption)
Carrie Zelda-Michelle Davis - Today at 11:19 PM
you're right; I wasn't taking the hypothetical seriously enough

> ("Since I was 5, I felt like I've been dropped in the wrong skin. This is about correcting a mistake." "Oh, is that all it is? Really?" "That's the fast version.")

sex diffs in paraphilias: https://muse.jhu.edu/article/669634/pdf

malpractice lawsuit (can't find better public info): https://detransitionedwomenresistadf.wordpress.com/2017/11/19/first-blog-post/

transition didn't change crime rate: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

"... your identity is supposed to describe the problems you face in your life, not manufacture them": http://neat-dyke.tumblr.com/post/167070168982/old-school-butch-neat-dyke-something-that

http://neat-dyke.tumblr.com/post/162258180487/on-being-a-young-butch-lesbian-at-pride-2017

http://neat-dyke.tumblr.com/post/154578646192/negative-social-effects-of-my-mastectomy

productivity lifehacks: do excellent work in an extremely low-status field that you'd be mortified to be primarily known for, thus forcing yourself to also do excellent work in another area in order to rescue your reputation

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7757667
https://clarissasblog.com/2014/05/14/i-dont-want-to-hire-women/

drawn by a cis woman?? http://weknowmemes.com/2013/11/perks-of-being-a-woman/

"Impact of Using Non-Birth Sex on the Interpretation of Spirometry Data in Subjects With Air-Flow Obstruction": http://rc.rcjournal.com/content/early/2017/11/28/respcare.05586

decrease in IQ on puberty suppression: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2017.00528/full

AGP pride flag origin: https://4archive.org/board/lgbt/thread/8628058/attached-image-is-the-agp-pride-flag-black-represents-the-r

https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/6uc18b/has_any_of_you_felt_horny_when_using_a_packer_for/

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/kbxw7v/i-was-robbed-of-my-transgender-childhood

https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/4ltxc1/does_anyone_else_get_really_turned_on_checking/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/7iqcaf/told_my_wife_i_want_to_transition/

https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/5axie2/nsfw_im_mtf_i_feel_like_my_body_is_aroused_and/

https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/7vdw5u/arousal_is_really_messing_with_my_head/

https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/7yfyp2/anybody_discover_they_were_trans_though_sissy_porn/

https://np.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/8hob8i/why_do_i_do_this_nsfw/

Lindsay Shepherd/James Damore shipfic

Brazillian woman moves to Sweeden and cherished egalitarian culture: https://medium.com/@sayhellotovanessa/the-oddities-of-being-an-invisible-woman-8570394caa0d

most of men's attractiveness is cues of upper-body strength: http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/284/1869/20171819

> In the psychiatric evaluation, Johnson reveals that Kaczynski had persistent and intense sexual fantasies about being a woman. While he was a graduate student at the University of Michigan in 1967, he went to a psychiatrist to discuss his wishes for a sex change operation. But in the waiting room, he decided he could not go forward. Instead, he told the psychiatrist he was depressed about the possibility of being drafted.
>
> — https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1998/09/12/gender-confusion-sex-change-idea-fueled-kaczynskis-rage-report-says/eb33b946-8595-427d-af4c-9ccaada45935/?utm_term=.6222611253f6

so I'm watching more of the retail comedy with :hearts:♡ Lauren Ash ♡:hearts:,  and I think it's just _sociologically fascinating_ how the writers are playing Culture War (guest star character is pro-bathroom bill, and our protagonists are sneeringly like, "Wow, that's so bigoted")
like, this is how social change happens
with a conspiracy of NBC comedy writers conspiring to hamfistedly socially intimidate their viewers into not believing anything uncool
that's my second thought, anyway
my first thought is
OMG ★♡ Lauren Ash ♡★ I want to be ~~with~~ her

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/erik-soderstrom/2016/09/23/superstore-goes-strike-mocks-bigots-against-transgender

> Garrett: Hey, nik-nik-nikki. I had a quick just, like, silly question for you. Uh, how serious are you about all this sort of trans bathroom stuff?
Nikki: What do you mean?
Garrett: I mean, like, is it the only thing you think about or is it more like one of those barely talk about it, just how you were raised, opinion could change if you surrounded yourself with a cooler, more diverse group of friends type deals?

(it's interesting that there's one other (semi-) widely-recognized expansion of that initialism)

the "husband and provider and guardian of a small AI" game looks fun, that I would be so good at it that the thought isn't worth dropping just because you deserve Bob and Alice doesn't want me and Carol doesn't want me and Edith quietly detests me and Georgia belongs to Dave and the owners of OKCupid have pissed themselves laughing about how much money I'm paying them for the privilege of knowing that _ and _ haven't read my poem

"You women and your risk-aversion (compared to men) due to lower reproductive variance (than men) in the environment of evolutionary adaptiveness" is what my analogue who is not forbidden from such thoughts would say

I like her as a person but am very conscious of the extent to which I am currently on her good side due to luck and carefully deceptive handling

(I don't even think I know what I use internally; my blog says "trans women" as two words so as not to pile insult onto injury) but my model, under whatever word, is "guys like me"

like many bottom-80-percentile males, I'm ambiguous on the sign of the poly thing


suffering is the chisel God uses to shape us into our true selves

suffering is bad in general, but I've already used up my please-take-care-of-me-I'm-hurt quota for the year, which means I have to enthusiastically endorse any emotional pain that happens to me today

everyone already knows to be cynical about cola commercials, but somehow people expect "Seek medical care if you're concerned" to be taken literally

"We have so much in common!" I said. "Too much," she said.
the cognitive dissonance that makes "all trans women" and "all closet crossdressers" the only stable equilibria for social circles of AGP males in a culture without a public concept of AGP
https://transblog.grieve-smith.com/the-essential-conflict/

at JCC camp, I remember saying that I wasn't the kind of guy who was interested in big breasts. "Well, then you're not a guy," I was told. But actually I just hadn't hit puberty yet

Like, I used to tack the word "aspiring" in front as my preferred means of indicating that we don't think we've already solved rationality. Nowadays, I just reach for the scare quotes.

While I agree that words can be used in many ways depending on context, I claim that sometimes it's useful to use this top-20 noun to refer strictly to the same thing it's always referred to for the past 200,000 years since language evolved, even if we have reasonably chosen to broaden the extension of that noun to also include other, relevantly similar things in most day-to-day contexts! Given that people are capable of inferring what is meant from the relevant context, this won't confuse anyone, and we can continue peacefully using language to describe reality. Then, we can use those descriptions of reality to formulate plans! Plans that will steer the universe into regions of configuration space that rank higher in our individual and collective preference orderings!

NRx-inspired (sigh ... yes, unfortunately) points—

(most of this should probably be split into a separate post even if I'm happening to do some outlining in this file; evil speculation shouldn't contaminate the solid "Infovism" idea/slogan)—

 * democracy is government by whichever memes happen to be the most virulent
 * outcomes of the long run of a one-dimensional conflict can be classified, roughly something like: Left total victory, right total victory, mutually assured destruction, and program equilibrium
    * program equilibrium isn't easy/possible for humans
    * the key point here is that "grant this demand, deny all others" isn't a
      defensible Schelling point; if you yield here, the _same algorithm_ is
      going to be running the next time
 * "Berkeley 2009 morality was just right, but this Berkeley 2017 bullshit has
   gone _too far_!"
    * If I were dictator, (Berkeley, 2009) could be made to work, but everyone has her own (city, year) pair
       * for some reason I thought this was analogous to something from the
         Coherent Extrapolated Volition document: Dennis thinks he should own
         the world, but fairness requires that Dennis's name be erased from any
         such request, and "some X should own the world" is underspecified"
 * remember my conversation with a certain female bio-/psychologist studying at
   Harvard who told me that "Trans women are men with a mental illness" made
   more sense, but that she was afraid to even think that within the privacy of
   her own head
    * fucking _Harvard_
 * Moldbug, "The True Meaning of Diversity": "Certainly not every party member
   is an [X]. Most of them, in fact, are not. Nor is it absolutely guaranteed
   that every single [X] will be a party member. But most of them, in fact,
   are"—thus, requiring representaiton of Xes benefits the party
 * practice of deferring to designated-victim trans women _makes the trans
   women worse people_: if you know that you can win a dispute by playing the
   transphobia card, that incentive shapes your life (Moldbug: discussion of
   "ignoble privilege" in "Gentle Introduction" pt. 3)
    * kind of like how _the right to be sued_ is an important part of legal
      personhood: the possibility of recourse is necessary for trust


feminists are masculinized: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4158978/

APA pronoun stickers: https://twitter.com/4th_WaveNow/status/950052584416595969
(original is https://twitter.com/Lucia_A_Schwarz/status/949315365842116608 )

women's voices allegedly getting deeper?!— https://twitter.com/degenrolf/status/949530603342454784

https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/7py0ic/fetishizing_yourself/

https://medium.com/eden-the-cat/please-stop-making-me-come-out-as-non-binary-at-work-ab72e17abbcc
https://medium.com/eden-the-cat/i-came-out-as-non-binary-a-year-ago-here-is-my-experience-177f74fc553e

Tailcalled: "The five genders, chad, male, enby, female, stacy"

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/7s4bu2/as_a_lesbian_in_university_i_feel_increasingly/

https://theestablishment.co/japanese-cartoon-porn-helped-me-understand-my-trans-identity-d5bba16cdaf3

AAP: https://www.reddit.com/r/GCdebatesQT/comments/7s8twd/do_trans_natal_males_fetishize_teenage_girlhood/dt3ea2n/

the conjunction of anti-transphobia and anti-Islamophobia is very strange

https://voices.avoiceformen.com/j4mb/2018/01/15/terrified-patient-treated-like-transphobic-bigot/ —this is a compelling fiction prompt! Sad that a male author like me would be needed to fill in the "evolutionary radfem" niche—have the protagonist be hyperaware of the Rotherdam betrayal

Zucker et al. study that's one of the sources of "majority desist" claims ("Demographics, behavior problems, and psychosexual characteristics of adolescents with gender identity disorder or transvestic fetishism") https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22390530

Tailcalled—
Old: A*P is caused by internalized sexism, thinking that you have to be a boy to be masculine and have to be a girl to be feminine
Bold: A*P is caused by lack of sexism, thinking that you can be masculine/nerdy as a girl and feminine/sensitive as a boy

https://pasunhomme.wordpress.com/2015/01/26/crossdressing-and-the-untransy-valley/

like, I regard—

 * transitioning and passing (or passing-adj) as a good outcome
 * transitioning and not-passing as a bad outcome,
 * soft body mods (e.g. my breasts)/occasional transvestism without social transition as a good outcome
 * nonbinary-but-unwilling-to-explain-what-that-means-because-MIGI as a bad outcome (because people are still going to notice your biological sex and make probabilistic inferences about it, but feel socially obligated to pretend that they aren't, and ubiquitous socially-obligatory lies are bad), and
 * NB-adj transfeminine or transmasculine as an explicit third-gender role as a good outcome, but a very tricky social-engineering problem to establish that niche where it doesn't already exist
 
https://twitter.com/KJ_Harrison/status/958435696359993345

distinguish between two types of culture war: when you're demonizing the enemy as orcs, and when you're fighting for the outcome of what happens to people _just like you_

it won't look like that for me due to ideological factors
"No, I'm not transitioning; I just want to get back on HRT again, for Science"
1 BLOCKED MESSAGE
Carrie Zelda-Michelle Davis - Today at 7:48 PM
"No, it's not facial feminization surgery; it's just a different cosmetic procedure that happens to be performed by the same doctor"

(on the phone during supermarket checkout) "No, it's just a brain transplant into a artificial vat-grown female body." (store clerk says, "Have a good day, ma'am") "That's very kind of you to say, but—"

I need to write a magical-realism short story pushing on the analogies between dating as a hot girl and job-searching as a good programmer. Specifically, a story a world in which all engineers are female and all businesspeople are male, dwelling on the theme that on the one hand, it's nice to protected and valued and be taken care of, but on the other hand, it's exploitative that the class of protectors is freeloading off the creative labor of your class, which they could never produce on their own (smash capitalism/the patriarchy!!)

Carrie Zelda-Michelle Davis - Today at 12:00 AM
"I totally agree with [one-sentence literal summary of the movement's goals], I just disagree with [every other belief and instrumental strategy connotationally associated with the movement]"
... actually, this generalized situation (meeting the criteria of a simple verbal definition, but not being part of that cluster in configuration space along most dimensions) sounds awfully familiar
... I'm pro-trans in the same sense that AGP trans women are women
vaticidalprophet - Today at 12:02 AM
I get the feeling ever saying those words invalidates you from all definitions of 'pro-trans' even if they are strictly speaking correct
Carrie Zelda-Michelle Davis - Today at 12:03 AM
but Treeeeent, the bullet-biting æsthetic
vaticidalprophet - Today at 12:03 AM
jesus, Oberlo is taking a long time to update the prices on my sketchy streetwear dropshipping store
Carrie Zelda-Michelle Davis - Today at 12:03 AM
you can tell I'm serious about it because I bothered to grab the æ ligatrue
vaticidalprophet - Today at 12:04 AM
I can tell you're pretentious because you bothered to grab it, that's orthogonal
Carrie Zelda-Michelle Davis - Today at 12:04 AM
"... ligatrue?" "Yes."

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to say on FB after "The Categories" is finished??

So, hopefully this version is a lot clearer and less needlessly dramatic than my kamikaze halt-melt-catch-fire public tantrum/mental-breakdown of this time last year: [blog link]

[share memory]

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https://www.wired.com/2009/03/designerdebate/
cellular-level sex differences  http://www.physiology.org/doi/abs/10.1152/ajpcell.00281.2013

Effects of prenatal androgens on rhesus monkeys https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3146061/

https://theestablishment.co/why-we-must-stop-calling-menstruation-a-womens-issue-a9c58c677f7c

https://twitter.com/BretWeinstein/status/969660864641953792

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/9-things-people-get-wrong-about-being-non-binary

60,000 likes for "Some men have a uterus": https://twitter.com/PPIndKentucky/status/969384341636861952

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_flank_effect

demography: https://twitter.com/conradhackett/status/974750991756283904

http://sinesalvatorem.tumblr.com/post/172312442416/trying-to-talk-to-trans-people-about-their-sexual any scale that involves "pretending you’re a woman" in the instructions is OK by me

http://sinesalvatorem.tumblr.com/post/172395616411/explanations-for-distinct-clusters-of-transgender

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/blood-boundaries-should-transfusions-be-matched-by-sex/

Nothing we haven't seen before, but God Herself above, this fucking poll and thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/89nw0w/did_you_have_a_genderbody_swaptransformation/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/89s93d/getting_so_much_transierthanthou_flak_for_being/

Culture War gem mining, traditionalism for the family: https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/88zgv0/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_april_2_2018/dwt8kjb/

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/04/biohacking-siren-song/557849/

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A female commenter on one of Giego's posts—

"When I do experience strong attraction, it feels like being scared of the power of attraction itself. It's pleasantly thrilling rather than aversive, but the fear is real, and it's just as compelling as any other fear. This feeling is what produces my coy behaviors like smiling and looking away.

"In this way, I literally *feel* whatever this delay mating instinct is.

"I can't just decide not to feel it. I will feel it no matter what.

"Also, I enjoy the thrill. I don't *want* to get rid of it. I would prefer to experience more of it. If you want to talk about sheer hedonism, I would definitely want to keep this feeling if I were to re-engineer my brain. The feeling of anticipation or suspense is very enjoyable for me."

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fake implies artificial (but not vice versa)

Cut from "Reply to The Unit" (too far afield, not sure what point I'm trying to make): speculating about unproven sex differences isn't _quite_ as prejudicial as it sounds: if a 19th century scholar, knowing nothing of sex chromosomes, had reasoned, "Whatever the physical mechanism of heredity turns out to be, it probably distinguishes between males and females". (Is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature-dependent_sex_determination a counterexample or the dreaded "example that proves the rule" like pipefish or the Eurasian dotterel?)

the ultimate AGP weekend project (like crossdressing, but with more code): http://svencharleer.com/blog/2018/02/02/family-fun-with-deepfakes-or-how-i-got-my-wife-onto-the-tonight-show/

"right"-aligned folk like to say the IAT is "pseudoscientific bullshit", but what if those failed replications are just committing Goldberg's "fallacy of the irrelevant experiment"? Here's a pro-IAT _and_ pro-stereotype-accuracy take: "blacks are violent" stereotype strength varies with local crime rates http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1948550617753522 (via https://twitter.com/mjbsp/status/983338239221293057)

want to get around to watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDDIWGlBt3o

Tips for arguing with libtards:
 * They don't like the "Don't negotiate with terrorists" frame because they don't understand analogies; need to find gentler frames
 * They'll believe that you're AGP, but they don't want you to say that other people are AGP because they don't understand that the self is still a part of objective reality; need to explain why it matters

Consider an illustrative diagram in which there is a hard line in the combined height–weight configuration space, but the line isn't describable in terms of height or weight alone. If there were sufficiently many more traits/dimensions, we could imagine "not describable in terms of some small number of variables n" starting to look more like "not explicitly describable by humans."

(not gender-related but I don't have a good notes system): E. Weinstein on IQ: https://twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/987833935185952768

"Prenatal endocrine influences on sexual orientation and on sexually differentiated childhood behavior" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3296090/

The sad thing is, not only is AGP not the same thing as what women feel, a lot of woman are disgusted by it: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/8e9gd6/what_men_find_behind_female_masks/dxtgrcp/

https://feminina.eu/2017/12/28/my-current-philosophical-struggles/

http://strip.villainette.com/20180205

Yes, my Friendship Problems are proof of my female MIGI: "The overall rates of friendship conflict did not differ between men and women, but women were more likely to clash with close friends, to express feelings of anguish over the breakup, and to be more demanding of evidence of remorse before reconciling." — https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/16/science/friendship-discrimination.html   

women Cooperate less in Prisoner's Dilemma?! https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0001691817305917

degrees of FBOE and GNC https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-017-0980-y

T. accurately psychoanalyzes me: "she doesn't want men and women to be different, and spends a lot of time minimizing these differences, except when she's trying to be more ego-syntonic about the decision to live as male
in which case she writes giant blog posts on how real and massive it is"

"women drivers" stereotype vs. car insurance acturaries

"as we all know the two genders are math and pregnant" https://rationalists-out-of-context.tumblr.com/post/171916119173/as-we-all-know-the-two-genders-are-math-and?is_related_post=1#notes

_Dumbing of Age_ Carla "There's a _reason_ for that" http://www.dumbingofage.com/2014/comic/book-5/01-when-somebody-loved-me/purpleandskates/

how does the "women like close-knit friends, whereas men like large, loose coalitions" interact with sex-segregated spaces?—would seem to imply _less_ demand for female-only than male-only quasi-public spaces

another crime list: http://appropriately-inappropriate.tumblr.com/post/161606755575/the-tip-of-the-iceberg-please-add-to-this-list

https://www.autostraddle.com/how-to-have-trans-woman-lesbian-sex-with-a-penis-414839/


Carrie Zelda-Michelle Davis - Today at 9:07 AM
@tail (Richard) "LG doesn't belong with T because" this needs to be blogged; should I credit you?
tail (Richard) - Today at 9:07 AM
:spray: you need to stop being TERFy :thunk:
Carrie Zelda-Michelle Davis - Today at 9:08 AM
then TERFs should stop having such good jokes
tail (Richard) - Today at 9:08 AM
(this is a significant TERF controversy - not sure if you've heard of it :thunk: )
oh
the joke was mine
the argument that LG and T don't belong are TERFs
Carrie Zelda-Michelle Davis - Today at 9:10 AM
I guess I should have quoted the whole thing; I was familiar with the talking point, but it's funny that a naive observer should say, "Um, you mean that the other way around, right? Trans is the intersex condition, LG is sexual orientation"  and then the speaker would say "No"
tail (Richard) - Today at 9:10 AM
ah ok, thought you cut off the joke because you were referring to the talking point
NEW MESSAGES
tail (Richard) - Today at 9:12 AM
mm, I don't care that much about getting credited but it'd probably be nice (as long as the credit doesn't make me look TERFy :V)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Blanchardianism/comments/8izbbj/prevalence_of_the_wish_to_be_of_the_opposite/

I wasn't brave enough to take a she/her sticker, but it would have been in character, Twilight Sparkle

I've heard of fake geek girls, but this is ridiculous

big brain sex differences study with pretty pictures and d-values: https://academic.oup.com/cercor/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cercor/bhy109/4996558

body horror: https://girl-unashamed.tumblr.com/post/174051510579/parthenogenon-billnihilism-also-i-have-had

the recording here also has stop-recording exchange: https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2018/05/15/degenderettes-qa-san-francisco-5-12-2018/

Blanchard on the record about "homosexual" terminology: https://twitter.com/BlanchardPhD/status/999680624817508352

no one remembers pronouns: https://twitter.com/BlanchardPhD/status/1060563648027021314

https://twitter.com/RachelRMoran/status/1060311474780946432

http://abc30.com/homeless-women-harassed-in-shower-lawsuit-says/3514544/

https://medium.com/@maybekatz/on-the-design-of-womens-spaces-72bf8f396dc0

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5799375/Anti-HPV-jab-given-teenage-boys-identify-girls.html

Yaaaaaay eugenics https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs40592-018-0081-2

Hilarious http://skeletonclaw.com/post/102911594023

https://femsplain.com/on-being-non-binary-in-female-spaces-12d5980e7f0c

"Genome-wide association study reveals sex-specific genetic architecture of facial attractiveness" https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/06/06/339226

Connecticut farce gets worse: https://twitter.com/GameTimeCT/status/1003739370736816129

Gnon dislikes too much sexual dimorphism!! (HT Hanson) http://www.kokkonuts.org/wp-content/uploads/Kokko.pdf

Any% run: https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/6o3gve/cyberdemon531_makes_a_drunk_idiot_of_herself/dkecra4/

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/sex-change-killer-to-be-free-as-a-bird/news-story/b1fecc9a9a4717607de6e980980e0ba5?sv=e95663cd723e2f8ffa0caa3329e03203

"The Masculine Woman’s War on Gender Roles" http://www.ericwulff.com/blog/?p=1861

https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2018/06/sexism-racism-never-diminishes-even-everyone-becomes-less-sexist-racist.html

http://theweek.com/articles/715794/how-single-men-women-are-making-politics-more-extreme

https://twitter.com/goldmansachs/status/747834825831292928?lang=en

C. Clymer roundup:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/991707514294194176.html
https://mashable.com/2018/06/23/charlotte-clymer-twitter-thread-cuba-libre/#HzX3Kmpl3PqB
https://www.metroweekly.com/2018/06/transgender-woman-says-she-was-kicked-out-of-popular-d-c-restaurant-for-using-womens-restroom/
https://twitter.com/ChelseaClinton/status/1010596357093117953
https://twitter.com/cmclymer/status/1060699882506383360

"It’s officially impossible to find regular real lesbians unless you happen to stumble upon them in the wild ..."
https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/8mahdy/peak_trans_vii_tell_your_story_here/e1jtuqz/

https://medium.com/@dtwps/all-these-black-characters-and-0-done-right-how-steven-universe-fails-its-black-fanbase-part-i-81e0b0b8c3fe

4 for 4 https://twitter.com/InnerCityFish/status/1015203128885567493

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/08/government-drops-doctor-says-gender-given-birth/?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1531034286

https://twitter.com/_sagesharp_/status/1015755975687430145

https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/8xa97t/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_july_09_2018/e228vyj/ "Literally all they have to say is 'I'm not physically attracted to every woman in the world'" (But that's not their True Rejection! Are you really in favor of Universal Socially-Mandatory Lies?!)

https://where.coraline.codes/blog/oscon/

https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/07/06/changing-the-concept-of-woman-will-cause-unintended-harms

Riley is in the rewriting-her-past stage (just like all the other lesbians, I thought I had to like boys because of heteronormativity—and, "want her or be her" fantasy—only a brief mention that TERFs suck): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H34a-EIzSIs

What moral should we derive from the experience of breaking a condom inside of a Fleshlight?
It's like running over a pedestrian in a driving simulator
You'd think it would teach you that such a tiny mistake could have such enormous, life-altering consequences
Except for the context in which there are no consequences

DSM specifics as historical accident: https://twitter.com/BlanchardPhD/status/1023199189046579200

Posie Parker interview: https://auticulture.com/the-liminalist-161-posie-parker/

https://medium.com/@JonahMix/playing-the-intersex-card-3d95bb29ea16

on the internet and tell lies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHrZRJR4igQ

just watched "Return to Tomorrow"—so wait, Kirk _and_ Spock both got to be women??

pity for the secret-sharing squirrels https://cptsdcarlosdevil.tumblr.com/post/176414647498/i-think-a-lot-of-my-relationship-advice-is-deeply

notable for the IRB-servitude if nothing else: https://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/114404/how-to-query-gender-in-a-multiple-choice-poll-survey 

https://twitter.com/compiledwrong/status/994263573512601600 "How long does it take you to stop feeling like a guest in the house after you join a new company?"—when I feel OK about always choosing the female variant reaction emoji

https://twitter.com/turnthetide2018/status/1023959468764213248

http://andrewgelman.com/2007/08/14/more_taboo_rese/

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/howie_carr/2018/08/howie_carr_jim_lyons_out_pcs_the_democrats The only thing that would make this story more entertaining is if the Democrats bit the bullet and approved every amendment. (Or earnestly debated that e.g. there should be exactly one of "cis female" and "cis woman" &c.)

I should read Li Kung and Hines 2017 https://twitter.com/rftbk/status/1027314120381620230

The Rust survey asks: "If you find it difficult to participate in the Rust community, and feel comfortable giving more details, please tell us what makes it difficult" with the subhead "Optional. Please share only what you are comfortable sharing". I write: "I have some nuanced and detailed views on transgender issues that I suspect might make me a target for exclusion if people knew about them? Mostly this doesn't matter (the community is focused on technology, as it should be), but it does feel slightly sad to be socially incentivized to separate the technology-focused and sociopolitically-focused aspects of one's public intellectual persona (by having a second blog under a pseudonym, &c.) in a way that people with other views probably aren't."

what can go wrong: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/95z2zj/i_dont_think_im_going_to_my_girls_hobby_club/

Tail pasted a graph from https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7895384_Masculine_Girls_and_Feminine_Boys_Genetic_and_Environmental_Contributions_to_Atypical_Gender_Development_in_Early_Childhood that showed heritable/shared/nonshared bars

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/08/online-dating-out-of-your-league/567083/

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/15/us/target-transgender-idaho-voyeurism.html?_r=0

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Zack M. Davis <main@zackmdavis.net> wrote:
The family resemblance between me and my sister is quite striking (much more so, I think, than the resemblance between us and either parent); we have the same nose, same dark hair that curls into raidus-half-inch helices, maybe similar mannerisms, probably similar cognitive profiles. Unlike me, my sister is socially well-adjusted. [...]  If it's actually the case that one's will is subtly out of alignment with a hypermajority of healthy people in ways that are predictable and causally related to one's medical condition, that might be really disappointing from some grand fun-theoretic universe-design sense, but in the real world where one is not God and everything outside of one's skull is a constant, not being delusional about the degree of alignment might actually be useful in learning how to cooperate better, if mere cooperation is the best we can do.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/10/business/media/charlottesville-jason-kessler-npr.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

Scattered Personal Reflections After a Tech Conference; Or, Smile More; https://rust-lang.github.io/rustconf-2018-keynote/#56

AGP-motivated radfem alignment https://twitter.com/michaelbeltis/status/1032042346450276352

Moldbug's deep rhetorical game: https://theotherlifenow.com/bear-traps/

when social-justice people say that language is "outdated", do they have an idea of what changed? There may be an uncomfortable analogy here to programmers who want to insist on the latest version of everything even when the old stuff still works!

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/evkwm4/how-to-be-an-ally-to-non-binary-gender-non-conforming-people-support

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inoculation_theory

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Extracted from one of my SEXNET posts—

Unrelatedly, Beck et al. note in passing a fascinating finding that I think deserves more examination:

> Gender portrayal seems to vary based on target audience. In genres and channels targeting boys, girls are more likely to be depicted as smarter, less emotional, and more technically savvy (Baker & Raney, 2007; Gerding and & Signorielli, 2014; Thompson & Zerbinos, 1995). Conversely, genres and channels targeting girl viewers depict boys as more emotional and affectionate than do boy-oriented media (Aubrey & Harrison, 2004; Hentges & Case, 2013).

The authors go on to state that "[i]n sum, children's media reinforce gender role binaries and suggest that our culture values strictly delineated gender roles." But left unexplained is why a culture that values strictly delineated gender roles would optimize for portraying girls with masculine-coded virtues in boys' media and boys with feminine-coded virtues in girls' media. (An alternative theory that does predict this particular datum is that media producers are incentivized to cater to children's egocentric fantasies of the other sex's psychology being more like their own ...)


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Extracted from reply to Ozy on categories—

> Conversely, as far as I can tell, there has yet to be a single transgender NFL football player, while statistically there ought to be five currently playing.

A side note, but—this doesn't actually seem hard to explain. If the ought-to-be-five means MtFs, well, you _can't_ transition MtF and _stay_ in the NFL—HRT is going to kill your performance. Even if you think the effect size of hormones is overhyped, this is a _very_ competitive area, you can't say, "Oh, it only affected performance like ten percent, that's nothing—ten percent is _huge_." This doesn't rule out Jenner-class eggs in the NFL.

And if it means FtMs, well, people get into football as teenagers: there are going to be structural reasons making that difficult even if gynephilic FtMs _are_ the sort of people who would like to play (difficulty of transitioning _that_ early _and_ being stealthy about it, and difficulty of being accepted as one of the guys if you're not stealthy—let alone NFL/NCAA policy about steroid use, if the matter has even come up, which is probably hasn't)

The tone of the video news report here makes me nervous (_deception_ is a crime, but the fetish itself shouldn't disqualify him from being a _crossing guard_) https://www.abc15.com/news/crime/pd-gilbert-man-fakes-down-syndrome-hires-caregivers-to-bathe-him-and-change-diapers

This is basically the _Quillette_ article that I wanted to write: https://quillette.com/2018/09/12/stereotypes-are-often-harmful-and-accurate/

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ijop.12529

https://lesbian-rights-nz.org/shame-receipts/

Has someone done the game-theoretic microfoundations of radical feminism?

another ROGD referral graph: https://twitter.com/LavenderVerse/status/1042573498592501763

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/unisex-changing-rooms-put-women-in-danger-8lwbp8kgk

CoC thread (I donated $10 to the author for this): https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1041668315947708416.html
https://mobile.twitter.com/unconed/status/1045325718056554498

https://metro.co.uk/2018/09/19/transgender-teen-to-admit-murdering-parents-who-refused-to-accept-her-transition-7960036/

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/8mahdy/peak_trans_vii_tell_your_story_here/e69oh83/

dystopia where all women call themselves nonbinary and men call themselves trans women

https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/9ejzkm/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_september_10/e64jjos/?context=3&sort=best

https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Transgender-woman-in-San-Antonio-files-13244056.php?utm_campaign=twitter-mobile&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social  "male or female gender should be self-identified and self-reported for the purpose of blood donation"

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/09/how-i-was-hounded-off-campus-for-saying-women-dont-have-penises/

https://www.econlib.org/you-dont-understand-our-culture/

https://twitter.com/tvandreacross/status/1043603304763351041 made me wonder why I haven't heard "Make it easier to get a GRC, but revoke it as part of the penalty for crimes, especially sex crimes" proposed as a compromise

WTF _Nature_ redux https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-06784-5?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nature%2Frss%2Fcurrent+%28Nature+-+Issue%29

https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/2017/b263563.html

https://mobile.twitter.com/JamesCantorPhD/status/1012722559874486272

Damore is working again https://twitter.com/JamesADamore/status/1034623633174478849

HSTS doesn't like being asked pronouns https://twitter.com/Kinesis/status/1046485034113220608

Numbers 31:15–18

וַיֹּאמֶר אֲלֵיהֶם מֹשֶׁה הַֽחִיִּיתֶם כָּל־נְקֵבָֽה׃ 

"Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them.


 וְעַתָּה הִרְגוּ כָל־זָכָר בַּטָּף וְכָל־אִשָּׁה יֹדַעַת אִישׁ לְמִשְׁכַּב זָכָר הֲרֹֽגוּ

Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,


 וְכֹל הַטַּף בַּנָּשִׁים אֲשֶׁר לֹא־יָדְעוּ מִשְׁכַּב זָכָר הַחֲיוּ לָכֶֽם

but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.


What actual women are like vs. feminist power fantasy: https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/8tpcyn/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_june_25_2018/e1f67ky/
https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/2013/08/i-hate-strong-female-characters

reading the famous Flight 93 essay and coming across a scare-quoted "cis-genderism", I want to say, "You mean _cisnormativity_"

my insufficiently-requited love retweeted this: https://twitter.com/EscapologistFi/status/1052650770624118785

http://www.jbhe.com/features/53_SAT.html

Singal on pediatrics society statement: https://twitter.com/jessesingal/status/1052939041069588480 (follow-up for critique of Ozy on ROGD!!!)

https://twitter.com/rachelvmckinnon/status/1053633641161678848

Rachel McKinnon documents say she's a woman https://archive.is/PWmOP https://twitter.com/rachelvmckinnon/status/1053633641161678848
Rachel McKinnon on her opponents making gender-identity https://archive.is/mmhwU

https://doesnthavetobethisway.wordpress.com/2014/07/19/nametags-pronouns-and-lifting-the-burden/

EUGENICS https://www.wired.com/story/pinterest-skin-tone-search/?fbclid=IwAR27gG2-MZOuYjRBxcZCGK2J4x9rEcrD6rM-8W8H37b5GS5UWJnZEqffUjI

Request for social technology: again, we really need to do something about the problem where civil-and-charitable discourse culture tends to degenerate into "I accept a belief from you, if you accept a belief from me" social exchange, which rewards dogmatic incumbents. (Submissive people trying to be charitable think, "The incumbent didn't respond to my argument! Maybe I'm wrong!" when maybe they should be less submissive and instead think, "The incumbent is being willfully stupid! No update!") So, we know that personal character attacks are bad and need to be quashed. But maybe "arrogance and contempt towards worldviews which I claim have bugs in addition to their already well-known features" is OK? We know that argument NEVER gets bullet. We know that argument NEVER gets personal attack. But a lot of people seem to think that if argument doesn't get counterargument, that means that argument wins. And that's not right! Maybe sometimes argument deserves, "No update, no time to explain; I falsifiably predict that you'll thank me later." Sometimes this prediction will be wrong! But sometimes it will come true eight years later!

("And he cried out, one last cry under the consciousness of Odeen, except that somehow it was the cry of Dua. 'No, we can't stop the market. We are the market. We—'")

"Transsexualism is primarily a type of individual psychopathology. It secondarily acquires the properties of a political or religious movement when individual transsexuals form up into networks."— https://twitter.com/BlanchardPhD/status/1056219179399962631

https://www.essence.com/news/16-year-old-black-teen-tells-dr-phil-shes-white-and-hates-black-people/

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/10/30/transgender-woman-gets-18-month-sentence-for-sexually-assaulting-daughter.html

https://www.gaystarnews.com/article/trans-man-sauna/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07238-8

more Yearwood: https://abcnews.go.com/US/transgender-teens-outrun-track-field-competitors-critics-close/story?id=55856294
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2810857-andraya-yearwood-knows-she-has-the-right-to-compete


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6179341/Outrage-transgender-child-groomer-legally-female-womens-jail.html

https://www.wweek.com/news/2018/11/07/a-transgender-powells-employee-says-the-bookstore-refused-to-designate-a-gender-neutral-restroom-in-its-corporate-office/

HSTS typology-discovering narrative: https://twitter.com/Kinesis/status/1060452237967675392

https://m.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/UC-Berkeley-campus-senator-abstains-from-a-vote-13378621.php?t=bd81bb94a4#photo-16472734

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/drunken-transgender-women-stamp-defenceless-13566104

https://truethingsiwishicouldsay.tumblr.com/post/179846906643/this-is-the-new-queer-compulsory-heterosexuality

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/midwives-rail-against-proposal-to-call-women-persons-in-new-code-of-conduct/news-story/0c3b37b55934effcfc48498b64a1256f

skeleton sex denialism: https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/575536/

medical records: https://twitter.com/HairyLeggdHarpy/status/1062360988702466048

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7724502/cop-child-sex-offences-woman/amp/

https://janeclarejones.com/2018/11/13/the-annals-of-the-terf-wars/

http://academicrightswatch.com/?p=2871

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/canadian-man-claiming-to-be-female-sues-16-women-for-refusing-to-wax-his-ge

Marcus points out that out the "balls-at-12" 5-alpha-reductase people

intersex stats: https://twitter.com/mrkhtake2/status/1063454985147613187

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unused /r/slatestarcodex comment fodder—

More generally, I'm not sure what to do about the problem of how to _break out_ of the existing Culture War narratives, when you think the reigning narrative is wrong and that you have a better one. The immortal Robin Hanson writes that if you want to make an outsized difference in debates, you sould [pull in a direction that few others are in the high-dimensional policyspace](http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/05/policy_tugowar.html), but I worry that this model overlooks certain difficulties in _marketing_. If you don't want to join the "trans dykes are good and pure; maximize the number of trans people" coalition _or_ the "trans-identified males are bad men; minimize the number of trans people" coalition, the typical reaction is _not_ that people rally around your [third alternative](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/erGipespbbzdG5zYb/the-third-alternative) in the orthogonal direction, but rather: "Good God you're a fucking unicorn."

Well, I _guess_. But then what's a unicorn to do? I feel _guilty_ about posting too many variants of the same "read [Anne Lawrence](http://www.annelawrence.com/autogynephilia_&_MtF_typology.html)!" comment whenever trans issues come up in the Culture War thread—it feels too repetitive, too agenda-driven. But _given_ an agenda (people should be aware of the true nature of late-onset gender dysphoria in males so that they can use the knowledge to make better decisions, even if I'm not wise enough to specify in advance what those decisions should be) and wanting to pursue that agenda in good-faith and with an absolute minimum of war,

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Ideally, the Watsonian and Doylist views should be consilient (social-justice people have a Doylist view of Damore et al. as trying to justify male privilige; Scott Alexander et al. have a Doylist view of social-justice as being about victimhood competition)

deep learning can sex your retina: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41551-018-0195-0

http://www.womaninterruptedapp.com/en/

https://twitter.com/plantkid_/status/1065016189980721152

https://medium.com/the-establishment/dont-judge-a-girl-for-what-s-between-her-legs-24f6b6c8cc6

how come I've never heard of this Hogancamp guy on Trans Day of Rememberance? oh, right, AGP erasure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marwencol

read later: https://medium.com/@juliaserano/refusing-to-tolerate-intolerance-f24c1bff513f

https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2012-11-15/online-paedophile-jailed-for-14-years/

http://valleywag.gawker.com/twitter-engineer-dana-mccallum-pled-guilty-to-two-misde-1643207780

https://www.philpercs.com/2016/02/autogynephilia-a-critique-and-personal-narrative.html

https://medium.com/@Betsulimo/i-was-one-of-the-transactivists-on-the-channel-4-documentary-i-regret-what-i-did-this-is-why-7e12350ab6d3

https://www.reddit.com/r/itsafetish/

https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2018/11/30/36431918/if-the-future-is-nonbinary-its-a-bleak-one-for-women

"Obviously I socially gender him as male as per his preference."

"I wouldn't call it a 'preference' exactly."

"I gender him male as per his philosophical commitments"

https://www.theverge.com/2014/4/28/5661118/lab-mice-fear-men-not-women-big-problem-for-science

Mad Ouroboros on the Somewhere Else Discord speculates that "don't call me cis" gendercrits and AFAB enbies are having the same internal gender experience

CAIS in sport: https://twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1070097483408248835

the evolutionarily ancient process of noticing secondary sex characteristics is less legitimate than "Because I said so"

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/zmynd9/stop-gendering-your-baby?utm_campaign=sharebutton

https://twitter.com/terristrange/status/1068887491812290560

http://www.publicseminar.org/2018/11/the-performance-of-transgender-inclusion/

https://www.afterellen.com/general-news/568221-how-i-became-the-most-hated-lesbian-in-baltimore

https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2018/06/sexism-racism-never-diminishes-even-everyone-becomes-less-sexist-racist.html

https://trialeterror.home.blog/2018/11/25/alternatives-to-transition-a-step-by-step-guide-to-thinking-your-way-out-of-dysphoria-without-repressing-it/

Kinesis on the vibe: https://twitter.com/Kinesis/status/1074361907060957184

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New from me: ["Trying to Be Explicit"](), a short story that starts out being about the frustration of trying to be objective about a hot-button social issue and facing what one believes to be bad-faith criticism while simultanously acknowledging that _everyone_ thinks their critics are acting in bad faith, but then degenerates into specialized erotica interspersed with commentary on how the details of the erotic fantasy have important implications for the hot-button social issue.

... I don't know, guys. I'm really sorry.

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I don't understand why it's so hard to _either_ get the _minimal_ flag out in public, _or_ shut up about all related topics. Obviously, I can't fault anyone for not wanting to put potentially-controversial content under their own name, because I use a pseudonym myself. (I also believe in genetic-ancestry-mediated intelligence differences, and I _don't write about it_.) The problem that I'm trying to rally against is that if _all_ the nice-famous-shiny "rationalists" repeat flawed philosophy in support of the "pro-trans" political coalition (I linked four specific examples in a previous email; it really seems to be the consensus position), and _none_ of them loudly, publicly correct themselves when confronted with better philosophy (because the better philosophy happens to be more easily construed to support the "anti-trans" political coalition), then _we have lost the Mandate of Heaven_.

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Duolingo gave me the sentence "Ihre Frau schreibt" ("Her wife/woman writes") and I was very confused for a few moments. ("Well, the mouseover tooltip hint gives 'Her wife' and 'Your wife' as phrase translations, so it has to be 'your wife'—but wait, 'ihre' is similar to 'ihr', which is the plural you-all, so ...")

the MADTv sketch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgcLfohtFbE

field report on TIMs in lesbian spaces: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/9zgivf/peak_trans_viii_tell_your_story_here/ec8zecy/

And like, I share all the same moral ideals (I was born in 1987 and grew up in California; I'm not some [bigoted redneck](http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/)).

Yearwood again: https://www.theday.com/article/20170530/SPORT03/170539907

looking through scrollback with "Wilhelm"—

 "Politics Is the Mind; Loyalty to Existing Political Coalitions Is the Mind-Killer"

genuine improvements and noise, and that we should be looking for clever strategies to roll back some of the noise while keeping the good parts

"Wilhelm": "The preliminary results are not good, and they only look good inside a holiness bubble that is going to pop"

I hate you guys so much
I'm making a pointed and deliberate  effort to hate you so that I can continue to learn from you without getting eaten by your egregore

Roissy says that the sum of masculinity and femininity in a relationship must sum to zero, and I can see how putting all of the masculinity in the man and all of the femininity in the woman is kind of useful in that it lets you reap the benefits of comparative advantage
but I don't want to be the guy, and like everyone else, I want my preferences to be high-status, which the status quo is sort of doing for me, albeit in a delusional self-destructive way that I hope is fixable

"Restore patriarchy!" "Never! I mean, I see the point you're trying to make, but the real solution is embryo selection for more nerd girls!"

I hear what you're saying, but, but, without bones of sympathy and approval from feminist women, where am I going to get my bones of approval and sympathy from feminist women?? It's like you're telling me to make fewer paperclips!


"Power that is not aligned with natural law leads to evil, because it requires constantly denying reality and punishing dissenters."
"OK, but I still want my own breasts"

Scott got a lot of pushback just for including the blog that I showed him in a links post (Times have changed! BBL is locally quasi-mainstream after Ozy engaged)

but I am starting to get a more detailed appreciation of how the thing-that-is-good-that-I-want-to-call-"individualism" has a lot of missing implementation details; "Everyone's self-reported self-identity must be uncritically respected" social norms are trying to maximize a certain kind of individual choice (you not only get to choose your gender, you can even write-in a new one!), but that choice is taking place in the context of a very specific delusional cultural environment that penalizes other kinds of individual choices (like criticizing the delusions)

I'm sad that my update from "Blanchard is probably wrong because everyone's self-report says it's wrong" to "self-reports are pretty crazy" probably has implication for "Red Pill is probably wrong because everyone's self-report says it's wrong"

when I asked the Licensed Clinical Social Worker how rare I was (wanting to try HRT while loudly denouncing trans ideology as retarded), he said he gets lots of nonbinary/"transfeminine", but had never met anyone who identified as AGP
he wants to talk to the team and have another appt before endocrinologist referal

we should ban identities until we can figure out what's going on

that would require taking power, which is hard

but it's a good thought experiment... if you were appointed Gender Czar, what would you do? This is a rhetorical question, but I think what any decent person with good judgment would do is very, very different from what's happening.

also, it's really personally convenient for me that the delusional identity politics happen to be favorable to my life-defining paraphilia, so I kind of have incentives to play along a bit

as long as you don't describe yourself fully accurately

yeah, it's really annoying, because in addition to my obligately autogynephilic sexuality, I'm also an obligate ultra positivist nerd who doesn't like playing along with cultural narratives that "she" thinks are false
you don't want me as Gender Czar, because I kind of like what's happening (to the extent that we can get away with it without being punished by Gnon), just not how people talk about it
if I get to be Eugenics Czar at the same time, I might be able to make up for it?

You being Gender Czar would be an improvement to what's happening now. I'm not comparing you to my ideal Gender Czar, the thought experiment is that you compare your own judgment to Gender Moloch.
even if you didn't have any power over people, just the ability to give high status public statements would improve the rationality of the general area and shut down some of the holiness spirals occurring

so while you're being successfully marginalized by the currently-reigning egregores, I'm happy to learn some sociology from you NRx guys, because I am an aspiring rationalist, and you have a lot of insights
but if you start gaining power in spaces that I care about, I kind of have to fight you to the death
for her



W: 'Roles require that people support a consistent interface and contracts (in the programming sense). "Identities", "spectrums", "questioning", "finding oneself", and individualism in general break down the contracts and interfaces that others used to be able to rely on. The result is atomization, alienation between genders, and below replacement fertility. It's like a class in a dynamically typed language, where you have no idea what the methods or returned types are.'

unless you have lots of fine-grained roles, "make sure the fence-sitters take the typical route" is really bad for me (screws over everyone who doesn't like the standard role, but isn't weird enough to qualify for a nonstandard one, and statistically, there are a lot more sort-of weird people than really-really weird people)

Yes, exactly: https://twitter.com/pangmeli/status/1079097805250224130

perceiving sex: https://twitter.com/janeclarejones/status/1079334679411675136

"thru a conversation with my sister, I was, for the first time ever, able to distinguish between My Type and My Transition Goals" https://twitter.com/esten/status/1080709264899923968

Consequences for other people: I don't know! That's for those other people to decide, not me! But whatever they decide, they'll probably get more of what they want if they have more accurate beliefs! Rationality, motherfuckers! Do you speak it!

I'm saying that the thing that the Zeitgeist is encouraging people to interpret as an atomic identity is almost certainly actually some kind of very specific bug in male sexual psychology that can be interpreted and acted on in various ways! One possible interpretation/action-plan is to split it into two parts: (1) a happy romantic fantasy that I want to indulge somewhat without taking it too far, and (2) a moral responsibility to self-modify at least somewhat in the direction of being more aligned with women (in the sense of AI alignment) even if my volition would naturally be less aligned in the absence of the perceived moral responsibility!

 I agree that I'm being socially disruptive, because I think there are sufficiently serious problems with the current equilibrium of what people are doing, that I've decided to gamble my reputation on staging an intervention! Pretty foolhardy, huh? Well, as evolutionary biologists could tell you, men are all about risk!

 Charity is _not_ about using polite language. Charity is about trying to _see_ what the other motherfucker is doing right!

 misinterpretation of misdirected male sexuality


I agree that a lot of people seem perform the verbal behavior of saying, "A woman is anyone who wants to be!" But like, you know, maybe they're lying!


Human psychology is a very high-dimensional configuration space! If you've bought into an ideology that says that everyone is equal and that therefore psychological sex differences must be small-to-nonexistent, then you can choose to selectively ignore the dimensions along which sex differences are relatively large, and when you're locked into that worldview, it does indeed genuinely look to you like individual personality differences swamp sex differences! And when you're locked into that worldview, looking at the dimensions along which the differences are relatively large is genuinely painful! Once you notice this, maybe you can think of clever strategies to better serve the moral ideal that makes psychological-sex-differences denialism so appealing, while making use of the additional power you gain by letting yourself look at the whole configuration space!

https://arcdigital.media/what-is-gender-identity-10ce0da71999

One way of describing the trigger for me having gone bezerk starting in February is that I'm horrified that my neoreactionary friends are visibly way smarter than my rationalist friends. This is terrible, because kabbalistically, neoreaction is about being evil, and rationality is about being smart. It is written that being smart is more important than being good for humans (because trying to be good typically involves artificially restricting your hypothesis space; if good people don't permit themselves to even consider X, then they'll have trouble modeling a world in which lots of people make their living off X). But I really didn't expect that, in practice, trying to be evil makes you smarter than trying to be smart does!

(Okay, I was brainwashed by progressivism pretty hard, but ideologies need to appeal to something in human nature; you can't brainwash a human with random bits; they need to be specific bits with something good in them.) 

the oscillation between "I'm embarrassed and upset about {thing} that I don't want to acknowledge or explain, but that makes me not want to acknowledge or explain the fact that I feel embarrassed an upset" vs. "Yes, {thing} is real; real things are allowed to appear on maps"