fragments— O Wad Some Power the Giftie Gie Us; Or, the Identity Dysphoria Trap (school dysphoria) Reuknighted (C. being really curious about my hair "It's complicated." "I think it sets me apart from other guys." Were we ever really living in the same world?) reanalysis of Lawrence data!!! Entangled Truths, Contagious Lies (Transgender Edition) (Eugenics Is Really Important, You Delusional Bastards) The Aristocrats Yalta (https://transblog.grieve-smith.com/the-essential-conflict/ "What's in it for me?" "You're the one who doesn't believe in personal identity—you should be happy for us") Fertility Externalize Everything "I Will Fight for the Place Where I'm Free"; Or, Stop Praising Steven Universe for LGBT Representation Worlds Collide El Goonish Shive (http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=2328 http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1895) Choir "The Distance Between Mars and Venus: Measuring Global Sex Differences in Personality" http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0029265 Stop Expecting Social Reality to Make Sense re simple models are better: https://evolutionistx.wordpress.com/2017/01/12/conservatives-over-generalize-liberals-under-generalize/ clumpy thingspace!— https://darwinianreactionary.wordpress.com/2014/05/23/race-and-realism-part-2/ Michael Arc says: "some sort of discussion of the double standard while unambiguously attaching Trump and lampshading 'Locker Room Talk' would probably be valuable" Micahel Arc on nerds anchoring on explicit norms: http://lesswrong.com/lw/sq/a_genius_for_destruction/m5g Flipping the Frame Blanchardian Truth Serum— "Bayesian Truth Serum" scoring assigns more weight to "surprisingly popular" answers. Doesn't work when people are self-deceptive, I think?—in Veale's data, people think AGP applies to other people, not them https://nelmit.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/bts.pdf http://www.jaimieveale.com/publications/Masters.pdf (p. 82) push back against the global narrative without pushing back against any particular individual narrative - meta-political— * The View From Nowhere * As Well for a Sheep as a Lamb (polarizing tribal forces—because only bad ppl talk about AGP, you need to be very DGAF about politics in order to not be locked out of the correct explanation—and even then, socialization forces might turn you against your own ppl, something I have to be wary of) * The Spirit of Compromise; you can't take away transition technology; if you say it can only be used for dysphoria and not fetish, that creates an enormous incentive for self-delusion; even if someone like Kay would prefer that AGPs don't transition, at least getting ppl to admit that there are two types is a next step; maybe _after_ the trans rights movement has won, _then_ suddenly people will feel free to be non-delusional; "partial autogynephilia" may be partially GAMP, but a lot of it is compromise you delusional bastards— * I Want to See You Be Brave * Don't Negotiate With Terrorist Memeplexes; Or, Why I Don't Care About Your Feelings * Yes, the Only Real Trans Woman Is a Transitioned Trans Woman (critique of https://medium.com/@jencoates/i-am-a-transwoman-i-am-in-the-closet-i-am-not-coming-out-4c2dd1907e42#.5dlc2qog6) * Review of Nevada the phenomenon— * Survey of a Crossdreamscape and Why This Is Pretty Obviously Not What Cis Women Feel About Themselves * Blanchard's Dangerous Idea and the Plight of the Lucid Crossdreamer; Or, Could Self-Reports Really Be That Wrong?? * Reduce Gender Identities to Gender Goals ("trans" vs. "cis" only makes sense if the gradient between full-transition intervention and no intervention is sufficiently sharp) epistemology— * The Neglect of Probability Fallacy; Or, You Do Not Have an Intersex Condition * (if not super-femme, there must be some other reason ...) * High-Dimensional Social Science and the Cluster Concept of Concepts * Stereotypes, Models, and Cognition * Mary's Room (we have calibration to know that we're probably mostly seeing the same colors up to colorblindness and tetrachromacy, but ppl probably don't mean the same thing by "gender dysphoria" or "identity", or "sexual orientation" (ref pseudobisexuality); the map is not the territory) * Simple Models Plus Noise Are Better Than Pretending Not to Have a Model (because personal identity doesn't exist, comparing notes with other people and being able to learn from _their_ mistakes is more useful than just saying "everyone has their own experience") other commentary— psychological sex differences aren't real, but gender identity is?? always nurture except when politically convenient Bucketing (go through Wikipedia list of trans women, categorize everyone) God, I hope it's just a coincidence that Steven Goldberg gets the fact/value thing right and everyone else gets it wrong horror story about trans activists being pro-porn, &c. indicating how aliens would analyze them as a subtype of males * Engineering possibilities (Anne Lawrence identitfy early); people say they wish they could have transitioned younger if they knew it were possible (https://twitter.com/argumentshop/status/815633404943183872), but part of the reason people don't know it's possible is because AGP fantasy is the strongest diagnostic criterion and everyone is lying about this rachet effect (http://transblog.grieve-smith.com/the-slippery-slope/) (I can't imagine self with short hair) My Story * Collective Debt, Collective Shame (what I wanted to say to /r/GenderCritical, why it didn't work, even if they're not so hostile towards Miranda Yardley or the androphilic MtTs who post) * Someone Has To Say It * I'm Sick of Being Lied To * Falsifiability and What We Expect Not to See (this is important for the Bayes crowd) * If I Were Gender Czar (and while we're at it, someone needs to do something about the flying pig population explosion, and let's start array indices at 0.5.) * critique Julia Serano on nature: of course trans genders are less natural; that's the entire fucking point * wait, even Julia Serano can't find cis women to date?? http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/14/the-struggle-to-find-trans-love-in-san-francisco.html (I would expect the status boost of being a B-list activist would help; less high-status trans women have even less of a chance) * the Spirit of the Staircase * the intellectually-honest, transhumanist version of trans rights * entangled truths, contagious lies: https://autogynephiliatruth.wordpress.com/2016/07/18/gender-identity-exists-to-create-special-framework-for-health-insurance-payments/ putting the trans in transdermal putting the cis in decision criticism— Gender of the Gaps (you can always propose an essence when people knock down your ludicrous rationalization) Time Travel Isn't Real cathartic— Napoleon 70s denialists had it right pages— compile papers ---- Getting It Right the First Time Psychological Theories Predict Behavior, Not Just Self-Reports My Delusional Paraphilia Is the Best Delusional Paraphilia in the World Dual-Role Transvestism for the 21st Century (I pass as college educated) my upsetness at trans activists not respecting _my_ lived experience as AGP is reminicent of narcisstic rage in ppl hwo at some point, I want to work in the idea that AGP is a good thing because it's a pro-androgyny force in a world that is otherwise way too gendered for my tastes counterfeit utility because we're not narcissists http://elegantgatheringofwhitesnows.com/?p=2270 euphoric effects of E are a placebo effect! https://autogynephiliatruth.wordpress.com/about/#comment-155 very vague childhood memory of wanting to play with my pecs? Is it real?? I'm happy for people to rebuild their lives around a paraphilia. I'm not happy for people to rebuild their lives around a _bad explanation_. The Girl in the Mirror The Hand I Was Dealt A Man With a Transfeminine Side The Man With the Nonstandard Hormone Balance not a masculine, macho man, but, you know, the biologically-male kind of man https://transwidow.wordpress.com/2016/01/25/the-masculinity-of-mtf-transition/ Blanchard tweets me: https://twitter.com/BlanchardPhD/status/830580552562524160 the story about being on the Portland MAX train and talking to Dap, and then saying hi to the woman marketing opportunity? https://bannedbytrans.wordpress.com/speaking-out-against-transactivist-silencing-tactics/ _Someone_ has to be _that asshole_ who says the true thing that everyone else is too cowardly to say, and I guess it's going to have to be me, Taylor Saotome-Westlake. get girl, be girl tailcalled's survey: https://www.reddit.com/r/GCdebatesQT/comments/6hp72p/are_agps_misogynist_results_from_a_survey/ "I was already presenting as female online, and in the pretty niche stuff I was playing around with it seemed like I was a novelty to devs. I got more than a few questions about how I was a girl – who liked computers! The tone was always friendly, but the undertone was clear: I was weird." https://modelviewculture.com/pieces/there-and-back-again (The devs' surprise is making a _correct prediction_) sorry Dad https://twitter.com/HandOnHilt/status/876880147152072704 http://www.translucidcomic.com/comic/the-pair/ too picky http://pbfcomics.com/comics/matched/ (early play behavior predicts later aggression) https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-017-1005-6 (empathizing and systematizing) http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0031661 https://twitter.com/arthur_affect/status/883902728849809409 "being nice to people with a weird disorder but not so nice you forget you're just humoring them" (Yes, exactly) women do worse on Asch; in contrast, trans women are _selected_ for nonconformity original research post?— the Hsu–Bailey autopedophilia paper finds a much higher rate of ETLE in pedophiles than in normal men (they say they found 15% AGP in the Mechanical Turk sample gathered for their earlier psychometrics-of-AGP work, but oddly, the psychometrics-of-AGP paper doesn't seem to mention this?? Maybe ask Bailey to clarify sometime??); could this be evidence for the developmental competition effect? (Pedophiles thankfully don't get to actualize their desires, so they fall into ETLI instead?) Similarly, concerning the high IQ of AGP trans women not just being a selection effect: maybe it's because smart people don't get laid (remember that study about a huge fraction of MIT grad students being virgins) http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0118329 https://arxiv.org/abs/1609.05807 (via https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/6xkyyu/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_following/dmk92dw/) prental T and gynephilia in women and women-adj https://twitter.com/SteveStuWill/status/905572666332987392 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0018506X16301222 http://www.misfile.com/?date=2007-07-05 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-017-0120-x body measurements dist'ns http://anthro.cs.uni-freiburg.de/#colx=100&coly=6 same-sex couples do less assortative mating! https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2843104/ On Mar 4, 2017 3:23 PM, "Zack M. Davis" wrote: Genocide is murder of a class of people. Can you be more specific about the class of people you see being murdered (nerdy men?) and what you think is murdering them (the political-correctness memeplex that evolved as a social-control mechanism to prevent the United States from becoming Yugoslavia)? I'm guessing you see a picture where the underlying bug in male sexual psychology that leads to AGP would be far less likely to progress to "gender dysphoria"/actually-doing-something-about-it in a world where it was socially-acceptable for highly-verbal 13-year-old boys to seek out sex instead of taking the you're-not-allowed-to-try verbal rules seriously? I agree with this; Blanchard calls this "developmental competition." It's notable that Robert Heinlein's novels have some very strong AGP themes, but I'm not aware of any evidence that he actually did anything about it real life, whereas I, growing up 80 years later, am about to and feel like it's the right choice on reflection given my historically-anomalous developmental trajectory, even though it probably looks like ideologically-driven self-harm from the perspective of normal men. And you think that if the forces of political correctness win and "trans" becomes an entrenched cultural practice, that's like genociding future generations of Robert Heinlein analogues? Whereas from inside the trans-rights social-reality bubble, it looks like you're trying to genocide future generations of Julia Serano analogues. (Julia Serano is a prominent trans activist and author of one of the standard articles that get cited to try to "debunk" autogynephilia.) And from inside my Zack-M.-Davis-personal-eclectic-ideology-bubble, I want to rescue the Julia Serano aesthetic in a way that's compatible with knowledge of science and history. (Robert Heinlein was scientifically- and historically-literate, and Julia Serano is an ignorant ideologue, but Robert Heinlein was a manly man who was OK with being a manly man as his social identity and that's just not my style.) On 2017-03-04 14:12, Michael Vassar wrote: > The ACLU needs to address how plausible the arguments for censorship are. People accepting censorship need to address arguments about how real the harms are. As far as I can tell, you are three maximally concrete and articulate case of a person harness by PC in a context where an impartial summary would call it attempted genocide "Years before that, two different transwomen I knew had pressured me into sending nude photos of my breasts to them." https://4thwavenow.com/2016/04/27/shrinking-to-survive-a-former-trans-man-reports-on-life-inside-queer-youth-culture/ ---- Cut from quitting-hormones post (too repetitive given the rest of the blog?)— I think I would prefer not to say it. But given [cultural](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ManIFeelLikeAWoman) and [scholarly]((https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15859369)) evidence that the underlying psychological phenomenon is not that uncommon, and given that trans rights is perhaps _the_ culture war issue of our time, of which the psychological phenomenon is of some relevance to, _someone has to say it_. And I guess it's going to have to be me, Taylor Saotome-Westlake. ----- Tail: "zack logic: I don't want an AGP wife because they act too male and that'd be insufficiently female-aligned, I want a cis wife who acts like an AGP wife instead have you considered just giving in to the AGP life?" 'conditional on "we somehow eliminate all homophobia and bullying of gnc people and so on", how realistic does the following sound? Gay men no longer repress their GNC, which means they end up socially a lot more like HSTS trans women. (Exactly like HSTS trans women? Or would they be different because lower h on average?) This switches the west to """transgender homosexuality""", as, uh, the newHSTSs (that is, the HSTS-spectrum people who're now feminine in that society but aren't in ours) are now less attractive to each other but more attractive to straight men, and the straight men are less opposed to having sex with them because less homophobia. The newHSTSs are probably going to use HRT, if nothing else then because it makes them more attractive to straight men because that's the impression I got from TMWWBQ' ----- The problem is not social engineering! The problem is _incompetent_ social engineering! The problem is not experimenting on children! The problem is experimenting on children in the service of an ideological crusade rather than in the service of finding out what happens! ----- > And in the online communities I encountered on my journey, and still follow today, I see the same question, repeated over and over, as sweet scared humans pour their vulnerability into a text box, entrusting a group of strangers to help them make the decision of a lifetime: > > What if this is just a fetish? > > —https://medium.com/gender-shrug/just-1b8c09a11f18 https://player.fm/series/opening-up-behind-the-scenes-of-our-open-marriage/8-johns-kink-with-consequences https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/72vi36/foia_request_for_wansink_emails_show_how_an_ivy/dnmp0q9/ (relate to Conchran on lost knowledge?) Vee String review: still ... noticeably not part of my body. (That was the same thing I thought about breastforms. Considering how that escalted, maybe it would be better for my health and bodily integrity to not pursue this line of thinking ...) ---- tail: secretly, all AGP trans women are clockable because you can just look at the hobbies https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/78zw2h/how_many_of_you_were_confused_by_a_transformation/ He has a wife and kids to support (if this is 1998) or her FFS bill to pay off (if this is (2018) etymology fun fact: "male" comes from the Latin malus, meaning "bad" --- on a Facebook thread about female-dominated gym classes, a female acquaintance writes, "My class focuses on weightlifting and it's still all women (including one trans, oddly enough)." (You wouldn't say "oddly enough" if you actually believed that trans women are women!) This is so great http://criticaltheology.tumblr.com/post/159472778625/poem-by-a-jewish-trans-woman-written-in-1322 https://theestablishment.co/yes-trans-women-can-get-period-symptoms-e43a43979e8c Rya comes out as AGP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ferdf6iRTOg ---- I really hope there's a way to use frequencies and Bayes nets to disprove dysphoria→AGP causal direction, particularly because then I'll be able to call the post "Algebraic Typology" I thought of this pun first/independently: https://twitter.com/WildStoryWoman/status/927514752405737474 BIID: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/28711223/?i=1&from=body%20integrity%20identity%20disorder the heartbreaking misogyny of my native subculture (not that I'm any different): https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/7bjywe/wellness_wednesday_8th_november_2017/dpitpnu/ ---- but now I'm watching TV and I have a new actress crush Lauren Ash maybe it's just the character she's playing, but she seems slightly facially masculinized? but so curvy so my type America Ferrera is also in this show I remember her from Ugly Betty, which I would watch at the University in 2007 before the personality-altering nervous breadown that led me to quit there was a trans woman character on that show, but she was played by Rebecca Romijn there was a poignant line (you know it's poignant when you can remember a line from a TV show you saw ten years ago) where she says to her brother, "Look into my eyes, Danny; it's the only thing they couldn't change" and how do I put this my blog would sound a lot less transphobic if we had the technology to make AGPs look like Rebecca Romijn Trent - Today at 11:17 PM it would sound more transphobic, no? you'd have transitioned, so you wouldn't be concerned with some of the signalling you do now (e.g. woman as a gender rather than transwoman as one) and may indeed be actively signalling that you haven't signed the contract, Yardley-style; the idea it'd be less transphobic assumes becoming Romijn would put you more in line with trans topics as well (unless I'm misinterpreting something, which is a reasonable assumption) Carrie Zelda-Michelle Davis - Today at 11:19 PM you're right; I wasn't taking the hypothetical seriously enough (Actual line from someone's script: "Look into my eyes, Danny, 'cause that's about the only thing they couldn't change.")