Title: Reply to Ozymandias on Two-Type MtF Taxonomy
Date: 2016-11-24 20:46
Category: commentary
-Tags: two-type taxonomy
+Tags: two-type taxonomy, Ozy
-This post is a response to Ozymandias's ["Thoughts on The Blanchard/Bailey Distinction"](https://thingofthings.wordpress.com/2016/11/22/thoughts-on-the-blanchardbailey-distinction/), published on their (still highly recommended!) blog, [_Thing of Things_](https://thingofthings.wordpress.com/).
+This post is a response to Ozymandias's ["Thoughts on The Blanchard/Bailey Distinction"](https://thingofthings.wordpress.com/2016/11/22/thoughts-on-the-blanchardbailey-distinction/) (and is [cross-posted to the comments](https://thingofthings.wordpress.com/2016/11/22/thoughts-on-the-blanchardbailey-distinction/comment-page-1/#comment-23088) there).
> Autogynephilia does not work like other sexual fetishes. It is relatively rare for a person to upend their entire life to satisfy a sexual fetish
> Second of all, it is strange that autogynephilia is the only erotic target location error that causes a significant number of people to wish to transition. There are maybe some people with bodily identity integrity disorder (although far fewer than gender dysphorics) and maybe some otherkin.
-Yes, we expect there to be a lot more autogynephilic trans women than aspiring amputees or otherkin, because attraction to women (that is, standard male sexuality) is much more common than attraction to amputees or animals.
+Yes, we expect there to be a lot more autogynephilic trans women than aspiring amputees or otherkin, because attraction to women (that is, standard male sexuality) is vastly more common than attraction to amputees or animals.
> Furthermore, the autogynephilia theory does not even explain the data it purports to explain. Why are trans women disproportionately engineers and soldiers, instead of being randomly sampled from the male population?
> Why would a fetish make one transition later?
-It's not so much that autogynephiles _can't_ transition early—like you say, you know a lot who did so at 19 or 20 (of whom I am _so jealous_)—but more that the nature of their condition is such that deciding to pull the trigger and just do it after many long years of slowly building up a female gender identity through crossdressing and fantasy is something that makes sense, whereas the for androphilic-feminine type, if you make it to age 30 as a feminine gay man, there's little incentive to not just stay that way.
+It's not so much that autogynephiles _can't_ transition early—like you say, you know a lot who did so at 19 or 20 (of whom I am _so jealous_)—but more that the nature of their condition is such that deciding to pull the trigger and just do it after many long years of slowly building up a female gender identity through crossdressing and fantasy is something that makes sense, whereas for the androphilic-feminine type, if you make it to age 30 as a feminine gay man, there's little incentive to not just stay that way.
> Why would it cause one to not pass as well? Surely fetishizing being an attractive woman would cause one to have a lot of motivation to be an attractive woman.
-Part of it is going to be age of transition, as you note. Another part is that there's lot of subtly gendered behavioral stuff that we _don't know how to fix_ independently of _motivation_, things you might not _notice_ as part of the female-typical phenotype until you meet an autogynephilic trans woman who doesn't have them. [Motor behaviors](https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/all-the-wrong-moves/). [Vocal mannerisms](https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/2012/12/01/the-sound-of-your-voice/). Unfortunately (heartbreakingly), this is a [harder problem than people realize](http://lesswrong.com/lw/xe/changing_emotions/)!
+Part of it is going to be age of transition, as you note. Another part is that there's lot of subtly gendered behavioral stuff that we _don't know how to fix_ independently of _motivation_, things you might not _notice_ as part of the female-typical phenotype until you meet an autogynephilic trans woman who doesn't have them. [Motor behaviors](https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/all-the-wrong-moves/). [Vocal mannerisms](https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/2012/12/01/the-sound-of-your-voice/). <a id="changing-emotions-link"></a>Unfortunately (heartbreakingly), this is a [hard problem](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QZs4vkC7cbyjL9XA9/changing-emotions)—harder than people realize!
> the idea that very feminine gay men transition because gay men are attracted to masculine men and straight men are attracted to feminine women, so by becoming a woman they can get a more desirable sexual partner
projects / Ultimately_Untrue_Thought.git / blobdiff