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@@ -1792,9 +1792,6 @@ Muscle strength, size and composition following 12 months of gender-affirming tr
 
 He didn't actually transition.
 
-https://archive.is/7Wolo
-> the massive correlation between exposure to Yudkowsky’s writings and being a trans woman (can’t bother to do the calculations but the connection is absurdly strong)
-
 https://americanmind.org/essays/children-and-transgenderism/
 
 https://quillette.com/2019/09/24/no-one-is-born-in-the-wrong-body/
@@ -1891,6 +1888,8 @@ https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/hef5es/hi_what_was_slate_star_c
 > But the blog wasn't always on that 'side', either. Scott wrote one of the best analyses/defenses of trans identity and nonbiological definition of gender that I've ever read, and which ultimately convinced me.
 Yet again someone citing "Categories Were Made" as influential: https://old.reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/he96rm/star_slate_codex_deleted_because_of_nyt_article/fvr7h7w/
 
+people are STILL citing this shit! (14 Nov): https://twitter.com/Baltimoron87/status/1327730282703835137
+
 Even the enemies respect that post!
 https://twitter.com/KirinDave/status/1275647936194654208
 > And finally, I strongly disagree that one good article about accepting trans-ness means you get to walk away from writing that is somewhat white supremacist and quite fascist without at least awknowledging you were wrong.
@@ -1905,6 +1904,17 @@ Two mentions in https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/hhy2yc/what_wou
 Another "Made for Man" cite: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/hhtwxi/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_june_29_2020/fwwxycr/
 
 More damage control: https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/hpohy5/what_are_some_of_scotts_posts_that_challenge_the/fxsu8p0/
+(Comment was deleted. Was I over the line in commenting at all, or just because of the "transparently political reasons" side-swipe? The fact that it got ~18 points suggests the readership was OK with it, even if the moderators weren't)
+
+People are still citing it! https://twitter.com/churrundo/status/1283578666425806851
+
+Another new cite: https://twitter.com/FollowSamir/status/1289168867831373825
+
+Another new cite: https://applieddivinitystudies.com/2020/09/05/rationality-winning/
+
+darwin2500 "Women's leagues are for women, trans women are women. That's all the justification needed" https://old.reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/hym5xb/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_july_27_2020/fzvfres/
+
+another "Categories Were Made" cite, just as an example post: https://old.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/i10p4m/survey_on_moving_ssc_to_substack/fzwkfqk/
 
 "Sex Does Not Mean Gender. Equating Them Erases Trans Lives." https://archive.is/Mmlmi
 
@@ -1939,3 +1949,249 @@ https://medium.com/@mary.leng/harry-potter-and-the-reverse-voltaire-4c7f3a07241
 
 https://www.patheos.com/blogs/rolltodisbelieve/2020/07/07/j-k-rowling-and-the-measuring-of-a-woman/
 > I've noticed that authoritarian people love to define manhood and womanhood: to lay down the law about who qualifies for each particular label.
+
+https://www.outfrontmagazine.com/trending/facial-recognition-bias/
+https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/7/21128236/gender-app-giggle-women-ai-screen-trans-social
+> A new, female-only social media platform—Giggle—is being marketed as a safe space for women. The app uses a 3D scan of the users' faces in order to verify them as females. But there’s one problem: it doesn't work if you’re trans.
+> That’s problematic on a number of fronts, not least of which is that bone structure is clearly a poor indicator of gender identity.
+
+"The facts that need to be explained" http://archive.is/rjs7R
+
+https://www.facebook.com/aboyd.boyd/posts/4167291901694
+
+
+https://old.reddit.com/r/CultureWarRoundup/comments/hq9emh/offtopic_and_loweffort_cw_thread_for_the_week_of/fy6ymq1/
+> For many black people in particular, white societies are suffocating with their demands of restraint and industriousness; much like the worst stereotypes of Asian societies are suffocating from White point of view. Remember that article Scott reposted, on a Chinese school where children are forced to follow extremely precise and meaningless instructions for hours on end, suppressing their every impulse? That's how the world looks when you have poor impulse control.
+
+https://saidit.net/s/thisneverhappens/
+
+https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/bjpsych-bulletin/article/sex-gender-and-gender-identity-a-reevaluation-of-the-evidence/76A3DC54F3BD91E8D631B93397698B1A
+
+https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/bjpsych-bulletin/article/freedom-to-think-the-need-for-thorough-assessment-and-treatment-of-gender-dysphoric-children/F4B7F5CAFC0D0BE9FF3C7886BA6E904B/share/800abbaff82cc6eaa399c52d957a565b6978d459
+
+https://periodaisle.com/blogs/all/6-transgender-women-talk-menstruation
+
+The time I told an older boy in summer camp that I wasn't into women with big boobs ... but the reality was that I just hadn't hit puberty yet. A parent in today's ideological environment might transition their three-year-old, thinking, "I don't know what the future holds ... but if she doesn't want to go through male puberty, it would be cruel to force her to." But the kid has no way to _know_ that puberty is going to be terrible in advance (I didn't know what it was going to be like, to like breasts), but if the social environment is grooming the kid to be trans, he's likely to _assume_ it's terrible. When I wasn't doing well at Santa Cruz at first, Mom suggested that I take time off or at DVC, and I said, "Are you _trying_ to sabotage my education?" Because I had been groomed to believe in education.
+
+
+https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Ndtb22KYBxpBsagpj/eliezer-yudkowsky-facts?commentId=Aq9eWJmK6Liivn8ND
+Never go in against Eliezer Yudkowsky when anything is on the line.
+
+https://arcdigital.media/cancel-clusters-77fada5d7a8a
+
+https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8560707/amp/Lecturer-sacked-praising-Jewish-scientists-German-engineers-slams-woke-brigade.html
+
+https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/01/parenting/non-binary-children-support.html
+
+https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/07/14/1919091117
+
+> the fact is there is no single word that accurately captures every shade of meaning
+https://sigmaleph.dreamwidth.org/54093.html
+
+thispersondoesnotexist.com should offer age/race/sex radio buttons rather than just "Another"
+but I guess if the model was just trained on a bunch of unlabeled face photos, it's not going to be obvious what to change to generate "only females"
+the model must have learned the features somehow in order to produce such realistic results
+
+https://twitter.com/zackmdavis/status/1165832120784146432
+the sad, continuous pain of seeing both sides, yet being on this one
+
+https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/i2r8qo/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_august_03_2020/g0tp7wq/
+> As an aside, sometimes it's great if English isn't your first language, because then, all of this stuff immediately stands out. [...] In Dutch, there is no word for 'gender' as opposed to 'sex'. [...] The local woke then imported the term from English along with the concept. So now, when e.g. the [...] city council of Amsterdam puts out press releases, the English word "gender" stands out like a sore thumb from the otherwise Dutch sentences and it's completely obvious to everyone what's going on.
+
+https://web.archive.org/web/20071013171416/http://www.singinst.org/blog/2007/06/11/the-stamp-collecting-device/
+
+Um, given our shared cultural context, I feel compelled to mention that I see myself as mostly making empirical and logical claims rather than being intrinsically value-unaligned? Such that, if you have specific counterarguments against my crusade (especially ones I'm not likely to have considered before), I'd be very grateful to hear them!
+
+(Because if the counterarguments are good, then I'm wrong and I should stop. Obviously.)
+
+And, like, the pure philosophy of language part in particular looks REALLY solid (and note that Jessica Taylor, who helped me with the math, agrees), even if empirical disagreements affect exactly how the philosophy applies to complex contemporary social issues—love to know what you think in the comments: 
+
+
+But I guess you probably don't trust my rationality that much? Like, I expect us to agree that if you're not a topic-specialist, you're not likely to say things that I haven't heard before, whereas I am likely to say things you haven't heard before (even if you've read my blog, there's more I haven't written up yet)—but that's just a matter of me sinking compute into the particular topic; if I'm opposing a consensus that you trust, you might be confident that I'm in the wrong, even if it's not worth your time to pin down exactly why.
+
+Sorry if that observation was boring.
+
+https://uncommongroundmedia.com/deconstructing-the-good-transwomen/
+
+NYT—"Who Should Compete in Women's Sports? There Are 'Two Almost Irreconcilable Positions'": https://archive.is/Ckygw
+
+https://saidit.net/s/GenderCritical/comments/677z/the_clothesstealing_lesbianobsessed_agp/
+
+https://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html
+
+Andrew Sullivan profile https://archive.is/qviCi
+
+"Fluidity of gender identity induced by illusory body-sex change" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-71467-z 
+
+I want to be careful not to fall into the trap of being a generic social conservative. My gender crusade becomes much less interesting insofar as it can be explained simply by me being born too early and not getting "kids these days." It's not that cultural change is necessarily bad; it's that I want culture to innovate in the direction of "achieving godlike understanding of objective reality and optimizing the hell out of it" rather than "playing mind games on each other to make it artificially harder to notice that we don't actually live in a Total Morphological Freedom tech regime."
+
+Doctoral thesis on TG/TF fantasy!
+https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/io1iih/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_september_07/g4codai/
+https://researchbank.swinburne.edu.au/file/065cf404-3114-4a42-a433-558eec179159/1/richard%20pilbeam%20thesis.pdf
+
+https://reclaimthenet.org/threats-of-violence-censorship-for-womens-rights-groups/
+https://archive.vn/hQFh1
+
+pee fantasy: https://ericatgswapcaps.blogspot.com/2020/09/swap-clinic-favorite-thing.html
+
+https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/f0dfmt/has_anyone_ever_wrestled_with_guys_and_be/
+
+> Make a mistake, suffer a disaster, learn a lesson. Make two mistakes, suffer a disaster, learn half a lesson.
+https://twitter.com/spaceandgames/status/210229439395659776
+
+Oftentimes you genuinely happen to run out of time for a particular conversation, and that's fine: if your stopping algorithm is based on how busy you are that day and the expected information value of the remaining conversation, then we should expect to get accurate shared maps _eventually_, even if some topics get "unlucky" that you were busy that day. If your stopping algorithm is based on political convenience (you leave the conversation _because_ the other party made a good point that you're not allowed to admit in Berkeley), then we _don't_ converge to accurate shared maps!
+
+https://www.fastcompany.com/90455454/im-a-trans-woman-google-photos-doesnt-know-how-to-categorize-me
+
+more Reiner:
+https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1421517/
+https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1421518/ "Genetic males with maletypical prenatal androgen effects should be reared male."
+
+Tail said only a third of the variance in personality self-report is real; I asked how we know, and he says you can do math on multiple informants—
+https://replicationindex.com/2019/07/21/hidden-invalidity-of-personality-measures/
+https://www.researchgate.net/publication/227671578_What_multi-method_data_tell_us_about_construct_validity
+https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.0022-3506.2004.00282.x
+
+https://psyarxiv.com/f2wkt/
+
+https://ideasanddata.wordpress.com/2020/09/30/on-proposed-environmental-causes-of-the-american-black-white-iq-gap/
+
+https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2020/09/22/men-of-character-on-the-rise-cold-numbers-fading/
+
+https://gript.ie/female-guards-raped-in-prison-by-trans-inmates-says-former-minister/
+
+https://uncommongroundmedia.com/the-four-horsemen-of-the-gender-critical-apocalypse/
+
+https://www.interfluidity.com/v2/7333.html "Markets launder history"—the analogy to trans history-rewriting makes me way more sympathetic to leftists
+
+https://carcinisation.com/2020/07/04/the-ongoing-accomplishment-of-the-big-five/
+
+https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13178-020-00502-5
+https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs13178-020-00489-z
+
+https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/j165sq/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_september_28/g7iydmv/
+> But your family, clan, kin are naturally biased in your favor by simple oxytocin-driven mechanics of attachment, and family provides you with more support as it grows; and men have been helplessly biased in favor of their women since time immemorial (but you can think no farther than Esther). Your "identity", on the other hand, owes you nothing: instead, you owe everything to it, as it is in the power of your identity's political representatives to paint you a champion or a traitor, and you become more replaceable the bigger your alliance grows. It is a much less robust, much more adversarial and suspicious and cold, much less humane way to run a society
+
+https://transfemscience.org/articles/
+
+https://defmacro.substack.com/p/against-xkcd-1357
+https://defmacro.substack.com/p/from-corporate-politics-there-is
+https://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2020/10/06/review-of-rod-drehers-live-not-by-lies/
+https://bonald.wordpress.com/2016/03/11/die-hard-a-model-of-the-enemys-motivation/
+
+robot cult influence:
+https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2corc0/just_in_case_hes_a_reddit_troll/ (compare https://www.lesswrong.com/users/grendelkhan)
+https://retrocomputing.stackexchange.com/a/16457 (compare https://www.lesswrong.com/users/wizzwizz4)
+
+https://www.ginamaya.co.uk/transgender-life/on-adopting-a-more-gender-critical-transgender-activism.html
+
+https://reason.com/2020/10/09/coupled-barred-from-fostering-their-1-year-old-great-granddaughter-because-of-their-opposition-to-homosexuality-and-gender-transitioning/
+
+egregore capture
+https://twitter.com/ElaineAtwell/status/1314261010547695620
+
+https://blog.jim.com/war/the-way-through-to-the-other-side-of-the-left-singularity/
+> Every tenured academic everywhere in the world abruptly changes position overnight when the wind from Harvard and Yale changes.
+
+https://male-to-female.org/en/philosophy
+
+https://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/duty-to-disclose-adverse-legal-authority
+
+https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/jeky8e/voxs_kelsey_piper_on_being_called_a_tradwife_i/g9hoi6p/
+> Leftists don't need a Quiverfull movement, because we can count on each of our Vile Offspring to seduce and ruin at least four Quiverfull kids each.
+[the brood-parasite strategy made explicit!]
+
+https://www.overcomingbias.com/2016/09/write-to-say-stuff-worth-knowing.html
+> If you can then get other influential writers in overlapping topic areas to read and be persuaded by your argument, you might contribute to a larger process whereby we all learn faster by usefully dividing up the task of learning about everything.
+
+Motta-Mena and Puts has the awesome probability-of-gynephilia-by-intersex-condition graph, "Endocrinology of human female sexuality, mating, and reproductive behavior"
+
+listen later: https://amgreatness.com/2020/10/15/whats-the-matter-with-liberalism-talking-with-alex-kaschuta/
+
+"still having Donna's brain"
+http://theinsomniactg.blogspot.com/2020/10/not-body-id-have-chosen.html
+
+https://www.calstatela.edu/faculty/talia-mae-bettcher-professor-and-chair
+
+https://www.fast.ai/2020/10/28/code-of-conduct/
+
+"World Rugby Bars Transgender Women, Baffling Players" https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/26/sports/olympics/world-rugby-transgender-women.html
+
+kayfabe: https://www.edge.org/response-detail/11783
+
+https://web.archive.org/web/20200705203105if_/https://reddit.com/r/GenderCriticalGuys/comments/hhcs34/autogynephilic_male_here_big_rant_about_denial_of/
+
+Idaho plantiff: https://uploads.ovarit.com/91cd2b5b-f8e9-52b0-86e4-b1b5104e5350.jpg
+
+https://www.christianpost.com/news/gofundme-removes-puberty-is-not-a-medical-condition-billboard.html
+
+https://quillette.com/2020/10/31/i-signed-up-to-study-sexual-health-what-i-got-was-gender-ideology-fetishism-and-porn/
+
+https://www.ladyscience.com/essays/the-dangers-of-categorizing-trans-desire
+
+> Importantly, the team cannot know the individual's gender identity, but rather only biological sex (which like gender doesn't always exist on a binary). In other words, they can't say whether the individual lived their life 9,000 years ago in a way that would identify them within their society as a woman.
+https://archive.is/ocQWg
+
+thread on the clothing-swap problem
+https://twitter.com/liminal_warmth/status/1323837794259619842
+including a DM about AGP: https://twitter.com/liminal_warmth/status/1324016024019062790
+
+https://ericatgswapcaps.blogspot.com/2020/11/swap-clinic-pay-piper.html
+
+help me understand: https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/jnxgm3/genuinely_please_help_me_understand/
+
+https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/02/reader-center/nonbinary-teens-reporting.html
+
+"Voter Fraud a Myth? That's Not What New York Investigators Found": https://archive.is/biahk
+
+https://quillette.com/2020/11/07/gender-activists-are-trying-to-cancel-my-book-why-is-silicon-valley-helping-them/
+
+> social upheaval means it's time to go all in on crypto, precious metals
+https://twitter.com/HiFromMichaelV/status/1324693317188308993
+
+"The Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis and Probabilistic Inference: Evidence from the Domain of Color"—study, summarize, and apply this to gender!!!
+https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0158725
+
+citation engine https://scite.ai/
+
+https://herandrews.com/2015/03/01/women-against-suffrage/
+
+https://www.christianpost.com/news/ministry-sue-bank-over-dropping-account-due-to-reparative-therapy.html
+https://unherd.com/2020/10/how-corporations-can-delete-your-existence/
+
+I'm currently planning on donating $500 to Kelly Loeffler
+[...]
+So, I agree that Orange Man Bad. But, Orange Man Gone! (Okay, there are some lawsuits to wrap up, but I don't think anyone expects those to go anywhere.)
+
+https://www.out.com/news/2020/11/11/norway-has-made-biphobic-transphobic-speech-illegal
+
+https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/jdvqk5/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_october_19/g9jw30k/?context=3
+> This is because once they hit puberty, no one wants young men around unless they're recruiting for a terrorist cell. [...] Whereas literally everyone wants young women. They come off as determined to be fuckups because they're being actively courted/recruited. Boys are left to fuck up their own lives.
+
+A vote for Kelly Loeffler is a vote for gridlock! A vote for gridlock is a vote to hit the brakes on our ongoing cultural revolution! A vote to hit the brakes is vengeance for Steve Hsu! A civilization that can't avenge Steve Hsu is DEAD (sooner or later and probably sooner) 2/2
+
+> Somebody can be born with a wiener, but not be a boy. Somebody else can be a boy, but not have a wiener.
+https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-do-boys-have-wieners/
+
+Is the Culture War lost? https://letter.wiki/conversation/930
+
+https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/ray-blanchard-transgender-orthodoxy/
+
+> we shall be fixed for ever in a universe of pure hatred
+https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/170990-suppose-one-reads-a-story-of-filthy-atrocities-in-the
+
+
+If you demand that people change how they think and talk about the world specifically in order to prove they're on your side (rather than because you have evidence and arguments explaining why your model is more accurate in the relevant domain), then people who care about thinking clearly will may reluctantly conclude they're not, in fact, on your side?
+
+Note, this is compatible with trans rights insofar as "more accurate in the relevant domain" can include grouping transsexuals with their social gender rather than their developmental sex, because it's possible for social transition to actually succeed on the merits of actually passing (or getting "close enough"), rather than acquiecing to demands. (Isn't that the goal? To successfully transition, and organically be perceived as your target sex?)
+
+If someone looks like a man, and sounds like a man, and I can model him as a man in the range of circumstances I interact with him without making any grievous prediction errors, then I call him a man even if he's technically a female on testosterone—not as a favor, but because it genuinely seems like the best word to describe what I'm seeing. Futhermore, if I don't perceive someone as a man, but everyone else does (or speaks as if they do), I'll usually go along with the majority's language usage for game-theoretic reasons (explanation: http://unremediatedgender.space/2019/Oct/self-identity-is-a-schelling-point/). But if he further demands that I'm not even allowed to use the phrase "female on testosterone" to describe what I think is going on in this situation, then we have a problem.
+
+Trump—
+> devastating in their percentage and power of destruction
+
+Like I said, it would seem the disagreement centers around how robust the trait-clusters are, and how useful it is to be able to use simple language to talk about the overwhelming-majority case, and I'm wary of these standards being selectively varied for political reasons that, however well-intentioned, actually in-practice interfere with our collective ability to make sense of the world.
+
+When I say "selectively varied", I mean that the same standards aren't being applied evenhandedly to different topic-areas. For example, when talking about the anatomy of the hands, you might end up offhandedly saying something like, "Humans have ten fingers." I think it's good for people to be able to say "Humans have ten fingers" in most contexts without it being construed as a denial of the facts that polydactyly exists and that some people lose fingers in accidents. (It's true that polydactyly exists! And it's true that some people lose fingers in accidents! I enthusiastically affirm both of those facts! But I think it's also true that ... you know what I meant.)
+
+This is also my rationale for wanting "Men are the ones with penises" to be considered "true" in most contexts. The claim isn't that trans men don't exist; the claim is that adult human males are the prototypical thing that trans men are imitating (to the limits of available technology), such that it's useful for many unmarked usages of "man"/"men" to be understood to refer to the prototype unless there's some contextual reason to think otherwise.