X-Git-Url: http://unremediatedgender.space/source?p=Ultimately_Untrue_Thought.git;a=blobdiff_plain;f=notes%2Fchallenges-notes.md;h=efa74081482b00d9515fb39b58d914ed0591ee37;hp=36dde260463c704d421e091f64fa3681788d8b24;hb=HEAD;hpb=88ad3d1595e9d052c9f48cff1efc862b67b78268 diff --git a/notes/challenges-notes.md b/notes/challenges-notes.md index 36dde26..87198b3 100644 --- a/notes/challenges-notes.md +++ b/notes/challenges-notes.md @@ -1,24 +1,46 @@ Fit in somewhere— +For "Challenges" proper— + + * transition interventions are bundled: asking for pronouns could only plausibly be a good idea if coupled with further interventions—but that's not the picture we'd get if we took Yudkowsky literally + * I need to acknowledge the +> In a wide variety of cases, sure, they can clearly communicate the unambiguous sex and gender of something that has an unambiguous sex and gender, much as a different language might have pronouns that sometimes clearly communicated hair color to the extent that hair color often fell into unambiguous clusters. + * maybe by "much more strongly ... different firm attachments", he's pointing to different people having different intuitions about what male/female clusters map to; that's definitely a thing, but it's wrong to conflate that with "Maybe it's like not being named Oliver"; people do agree on the approximate meaning of blue and green even if there are edge cases, cite fallacy of gray * singular they for named individuals undermined indefinite singular 'they' - * parenthetical about where "Oliver" came from - * some people have complained that my writing is too long, but when your interlocutors will go to the absurd length of _denying that the association of "she" with females_ * people have an incentive to fight over pronouns insofar as it's a "wedge" for more substantive issues + + +4 levels of intellectual conversation https://rationalconspiracy.com/2017/01/03/four-layers-of-intellectual-conversation/ + +For postscript— + * some people have complained that my writing is too long, but when your interlocutors will go to the absurd length of _denying that the association of "she" with females_ * appeal to inner privacy conversation-halter https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/wqmmv6NraYv4Xoeyj/conversation-halters - * don't use "baked in" so many times - * Aella https://knowingless.com/2019/06/06/side-effects-of-preferred-pronouns/ * "gamete size"—this is a tic where everyone knows what sex is, but no one is allowed to acknowledge the cluster - * maybe worth explaining why I keep saying "sex category" instead of "gender"—and be consistent about it - * transition interventions are bundled: asking for pronouns could only plausibly be a good idea if coupled with further interventions—but that's not the picture we'd get if we took Yudkowsky literally * this post needs to exist because I can't let him have the last word - * I need to acknowledge the -> In a wide variety of cases, sure, they can clearly communicate the unambiguous sex and gender of something that has an unambiguous sex and gender, much as a different language might have pronouns that sometimes clearly communicated hair color to the extent that hair color often fell into unambiguous clusters. + * need introductory sentence before first reference to "we" or "the community" + * it is merited to touch on the nearest-unblocked strategy history somewhere in this piece, even if I may also need to write a longer "A Hill of Validity" + * also need a short statement of what I'm fighting for (AGPs are factually not women, and a culture that insists that everyone needs to lie to protect our feelings is bad for our own intellectual development; I want the things I said in "Sexual Dimorphism" to be the standard story, rather than my weird heresy) - * maybe by "much more strongly ... different firm attachments", he's pointing to different people having different intuitions about what male/female clusters map to; that's definitely a thing, but it's wrong to conflate that with "Maybe it's like not being named Oliver"; people do agree on the approximate meaning of blue and green even if there are edge cases, cite fallacy of gray +* need to stress that EY isn't surrendering to progressives in the straightforward way of normal academics; instead, he's trying to put on a Pretending-to-Be-Wise above-it-all independent centrist act (while being careful not to say anything that would make progs _really_ mad) - * need introductory sentence before first reference to "we" or "the community" + * my "self-ID is a Schelling Point" and "On the Argumentative Form" show that I'm not a partisan hack (maybe also publish a brief version of ) -4 levels of intellectual conversation https://rationalconspiracy.com/2017/01/03/four-layers-of-intellectual-conversation/ + * I'm only doing what _he_ taught me to do + + + +> I find the "(chromosomes?)" here very amusing. I am also a Yudkowskian, Eliezer; "female human" is a cluster in thingspace :) +https://twitter.com/EnyeWord/status/1068983389716385792 + +> Lying about atheism, in a conv about atheism, is defecting in a coop effort about atheism. +https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1226605895091507200 + +Twitter comments about "despite all my attempts to narrow it" + +Trying to turn me into a Jane Austen character + +https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ax695frGJEzGxFBK4/biology-inspired-agi-timelines-the-trick-that-never-works +> But I suppose I cannot but acknowledge that my outward behavior seems to reveal a distribution whose median seems to fall well before 2050. More Yudkowsky playing dumb— @@ -116,3 +138,15 @@ Since the Whole Dumb Story is longer and harder to write, I hope it's OK if I _b The Sequences taught me some really important things about sex differences and why not to take my cross-sex fantasies literally; I wrote about this in ["Sexual Dimorphism in Yudkowsky's Sequences"](/2021/May/sexual-dimorphism-in-the-sequences-in-relation-to-my-gender-problems/) The ] + +https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/bounded-distrust + +If "rationalists" are both a social cluster, and seekers of systematically-correct-reasoning, then people trying to protect the power and prestige of the social cluster face an incentive to invent fake epistemology lessons when the correct answer is unpopular! That's fatal!! + +If someone fires back bad faith allegations at me and is prepared to defend them, that's actually more invigorating and productive than the Berkeley equilibrium + +I don't think I'm setting [my price for joining](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Q8evewZW5SeidLdbA/your-price-for-joining) particularly high here? + +[principled trans people should be offended, too!] + +[our beliefs about dolphins are downstream of Scott's political incentives]