X-Git-Url: http://unremediatedgender.space/source?p=Ultimately_Untrue_Thought.git;a=blobdiff_plain;f=notes%2Fchallenges-notes.md;h=efa74081482b00d9515fb39b58d914ed0591ee37;hp=95058807324d8b6e7cfece6066b128fae8b27e19;hb=HEAD;hpb=faa2fa50f5cec0c91c5a28ddf139f7ddf6f97866 diff --git a/notes/challenges-notes.md b/notes/challenges-notes.md index 9505880..87198b3 100644 --- a/notes/challenges-notes.md +++ b/notes/challenges-notes.md @@ -1,41 +1,47 @@ Fit in somewhere— - * singular they for named individuals undermined indefinite singular 'they' - * parenthetical about where "Oliver" came from - * some people have complained that my writing is too long, but when your interlocutors will go to the absurd length of _denying that the association of "she" with females_ - * people have an incentive to fight over pronouns insofar as it's a "wedge" for more substantive issues - * appeal to inner privacy conversation-halter https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/wqmmv6NraYv4Xoeyj/conversation-halters - * don't use "baked in" so many times - * Aella https://knowingless.com/2019/06/06/side-effects-of-preferred-pronouns/ - * "gamete size"—this is a tic where everyone knows what sex is, but no one is allowed to acknowledge the cluster - * maybe worth explaining why I keep saying "sex category" instead of "gender"—and be consistent about it +For "Challenges" proper— + * transition interventions are bundled: asking for pronouns could only plausibly be a good idea if coupled with further interventions—but that's not the picture we'd get if we took Yudkowsky literally - * this post needs to exist because I can't let him have the last word * I need to acknowledge the > In a wide variety of cases, sure, they can clearly communicate the unambiguous sex and gender of something that has an unambiguous sex and gender, much as a different language might have pronouns that sometimes clearly communicated hair color to the extent that hair color often fell into unambiguous clusters. - * maybe by "much more strongly ... different firm attachments", he's pointing to different people having different intuitions about what male/female clusters map to; that's definitely a thing, but it's wrong to conflate that with "Maybe it's like not being named Oliver"; people do agree on the approximate meaning of blue and green even if there are edge cases, cite fallacy of gray + * singular they for named individuals undermined indefinite singular 'they' + * people have an incentive to fight over pronouns insofar as it's a "wedge" for more substantive issues - * need introductory sentence before first reference to "we" or "the community" +4 levels of intellectual conversation https://rationalconspiracy.com/2017/01/03/four-layers-of-intellectual-conversation/ + +For postscript— + * some people have complained that my writing is too long, but when your interlocutors will go to the absurd length of _denying that the association of "she" with females_ + * appeal to inner privacy conversation-halter https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/wqmmv6NraYv4Xoeyj/conversation-halters + * "gamete size"—this is a tic where everyone knows what sex is, but no one is allowed to acknowledge the cluster + * this post needs to exist because I can't let him have the last word + * need introductory sentence before first reference to "we" or "the community" * it is merited to touch on the nearest-unblocked strategy history somewhere in this piece, even if I may also need to write a longer "A Hill of Validity" * also need a short statement of what I'm fighting for (AGPs are factually not women, and a culture that insists that everyone needs to lie to protect our feelings is bad for our own intellectual development; I want the things I said in "Sexual Dimorphism" to be the standard story, rather than my weird heresy) +* need to stress that EY isn't surrendering to progressives in the straightforward way of normal academics; instead, he's trying to put on a Pretending-to-Be-Wise above-it-all independent centrist act (while being careful not to say anything that would make progs _really_ mad) + * my "self-ID is a Schelling Point" and "On the Argumentative Form" show that I'm not a partisan hack (maybe also publish a brief version of ) -4 levels of intellectual conversation https://rationalconspiracy.com/2017/01/03/four-layers-of-intellectual-conversation/ + * I'm only doing what _he_ taught me to do + + > I find the "(chromosomes?)" here very amusing. I am also a Yudkowskian, Eliezer; "female human" is a cluster in thingspace :) https://twitter.com/EnyeWord/status/1068983389716385792 -> But Twitter is at least not *ontologically confused* if they say that using preferred pronouns is courtesy, and claim that they're enforcing a courtesy standard. Replying "That's a lie! I will never lie!" is confused. -https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1067302082481274880 - > Lying about atheism, in a conv about atheism, is defecting in a coop effort about atheism. https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1226605895091507200 Twitter comments about "despite all my attempts to narrow it" +Trying to turn me into a Jane Austen character + +https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ax695frGJEzGxFBK4/biology-inspired-agi-timelines-the-trick-that-never-works +> But I suppose I cannot but acknowledge that my outward behavior seems to reveal a distribution whose median seems to fall well before 2050. + More Yudkowsky playing dumb— > What separates your stance from "I consider 'parmesan' to refer to only cheese from the Parma region in Italy and I don't appreciate being asked to lie"? @@ -134,3 +140,13 @@ The Sequences taught me some really important things about sex differences and w The ] https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/bounded-distrust + +If "rationalists" are both a social cluster, and seekers of systematically-correct-reasoning, then people trying to protect the power and prestige of the social cluster face an incentive to invent fake epistemology lessons when the correct answer is unpopular! That's fatal!! + +If someone fires back bad faith allegations at me and is prepared to defend them, that's actually more invigorating and productive than the Berkeley equilibrium + +I don't think I'm setting [my price for joining](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Q8evewZW5SeidLdbA/your-price-for-joining) particularly high here? + +[principled trans people should be offended, too!] + +[our beliefs about dolphins are downstream of Scott's political incentives]