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 Fit in somewhere—
 
- * singular they for named individuals undermined indefinite singular 'they'
- * parenthetical about where "Oliver" came from
- * some people have complained that my writing is too long, but when your interlocutors will go to the absurd length of _denying that the association of "she" with females_
- * people have an incentive to fight over pronouns insofar as it's a "wedge" for more substantive issues
- * appeal to inner privacy conversation-halter https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/wqmmv6NraYv4Xoeyj/conversation-halters
- * don't use "baked in" so many times
- * Aella https://knowingless.com/2019/06/06/side-effects-of-preferred-pronouns/
- * "gamete size"—this is a tic where everyone knows what sex is, but no one is allowed to acknowledge the cluster  
- * maybe worth explaining why I keep saying "sex category" instead of "gender"—and be consistent about it
+For "Challenges" proper—
+
  * transition interventions are bundled: asking for pronouns could only plausibly be a good idea if coupled with further interventions—but that's not the picture we'd get if we took Yudkowsky literally
- * this post needs to exist because I can't let him have the last word
  * I need to acknowledge the
 > In a wide variety of cases, sure, they can clearly communicate the unambiguous sex and gender of something that has an unambiguous sex and gender, much as a different language might have pronouns that sometimes clearly communicated hair color to the extent that hair color often fell into unambiguous clusters.
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  * maybe by "much more strongly ... different firm attachments", he's pointing to different people having different intuitions about what male/female clusters map to; that's definitely a thing, but it's wrong to conflate that with "Maybe it's like not being named Oliver"; people do agree on the approximate meaning of blue and green even if there are edge cases, cite fallacy of gray
+ * singular they for named individuals undermined indefinite singular 'they'
+ * people have an incentive to fight over pronouns insofar as it's a "wedge" for more substantive issues
 
- * need introductory sentence before first reference to "we" or "the community"
 
+4 levels of intellectual conversation https://rationalconspiracy.com/2017/01/03/four-layers-of-intellectual-conversation/
+
+For postscript—
+ * some people have complained that my writing is too long, but when your interlocutors will go to the absurd length of _denying that the association of "she" with females_
+ * appeal to inner privacy conversation-halter https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/wqmmv6NraYv4Xoeyj/conversation-halters
+ * "gamete size"—this is a tic where everyone knows what sex is, but no one is allowed to acknowledge the cluster  
+ * this post needs to exist because I can't let him have the last word
+ * need introductory sentence before first reference to "we" or "the community"
  * it is merited to touch on the nearest-unblocked strategy history somewhere in this piece, even if I may also need to write a longer "A Hill of Validity"
  * also need a short statement of what I'm fighting for (AGPs are factually not women, and a culture that insists that everyone needs to lie to protect our feelings is bad for our own intellectual development; I want the things I said in "Sexual Dimorphism" to be the standard story, rather than my weird heresy)
 
@@ -27,7 +27,7 @@ Fit in somewhere—
 
  * I'm only doing what _he_ taught me to do
 
-4 levels of intellectual conversation https://rationalconspiracy.com/2017/01/03/four-layers-of-intellectual-conversation/
+
 
 > I find the "(chromosomes?)" here very amusing. I am also a Yudkowskian, Eliezer; "female human" is a cluster in thingspace :)
 https://twitter.com/EnyeWord/status/1068983389716385792