X-Git-Url: http://unremediatedgender.space/source?p=Ultimately_Untrue_Thought.git;a=blobdiff_plain;f=notes%2Fsexual-dimorphism-in-the-sequences-notes.md;h=933173c4dff4bd17b98a5b23fef76552ae03d5d6;hp=5a19d8355e005ab0954cbbc9587dd1ed20fbd540;hb=a5a7b08178cf7e40ce76ac49b8c4a9ec56bab474;hpb=24dce1648f06c985a8f6dfcbc21b8e2b98abbf5b diff --git a/notes/sexual-dimorphism-in-the-sequences-notes.md b/notes/sexual-dimorphism-in-the-sequences-notes.md index 5a19d83..933173c 100644 --- a/notes/sexual-dimorphism-in-the-sequences-notes.md +++ b/notes/sexual-dimorphism-in-the-sequences-notes.md @@ -7,33 +7,31 @@ Done(ish)— Easy— * love of a man for a woman, and vice versa as separate fragments of value * Psychological Unity of Humankind is only up to sex + + * Superhappies empathic inference for not wanting to believe girls were different -* Faster Than Science, Transgender Edition (prior draft) +* "The Opposite Sex" https://web.archive.org/web/20130216025508/http://lesswrong.com/lw/rp/the_opposite_sex/ +* EY was right about "men need to think about themselves _as men_" (find cite) +* Vassar slapping me down +* "Mr. Davis" +* I'm not actually very good at first-person visualization, which demonstrates something +* study evidence that this is actually common +* AGPs dating each other is the analogue of "Failed Utopia 4-2"!! + Harder— +* Faster Than Science, Transgender Edition (prior draft) * "I often wish some men/women would appreciate" -* empathic inference: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/NLMo5FZWFFq652MNe/sympathetic-minds https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Zkzzjg3h7hW5Z36hK/humans-in-funny-suits -* "The Opposite Sex" https://web.archive.org/web/20130216025508/http://lesswrong.com/lw/rp/the_opposite_sex/ -* EY was right about "men need to think about themselves _as men_" (find cite) +* empathic inference: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/NLMo5FZWFFq652MNe/sympathetic-minds https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Zkzzjg3h7hW5Z36hK/humans-in-funny-suits https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/9fpWoXpNv83BAHJdc/the-comedy-of-behaviorism * wipe culturally defined values * finding things in the refrigerator -* https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/FBgozHEv7J72NCEPB/my-way +* https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/FBgozHEv7J72NCEPB/my-way https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/xsyG7PkMekHud2DMK/of-gender-and-rationality -* I'm not actually very good at first-person visualization, which demonstrates something -* study evidence that this is actually common My ideological committment to psychological-sex-differences denialism made me uncomfortable when the topic of sex differences happened to come up on the blog—which wasn't particularly often, but in such a vast, sprawling body of work as the Sequences, it occasionally turned out to be relevant in a discussion of evolution or human values. -For example, an early explanation of why - I ... need to write more about the phenomenology of this. I don't think the details are that important here? Maybe read the ["Man, I Feel Like a Woman" TV Tropes page](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ManIFeelLikeAWoman) and consider that the page wouldn't have so many entries if some male writers didn't have a reason to be _extremely interested_ in _that particular fantasy scenario_. - - "the love of a man for a woman, and the love of a woman for a man, have not been cognitively derived from each other or from any other value." - -https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/NnohDYHNnKDtbiMyp/fake-utility-functions - - "It is said that parents do all the things they tell their children not to do, which is how they know not to do them." https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/DwtYPRuCxpXTrzG9m/my-wild-and-reckless-youth "don't ask me how I know this, and I won't tell you" https://www.greaterwrong.com/posts/AeBfaMZt7e7ye38Hw/open-thread-november-1-15-2012#comment-ib37xYqDnJgxE285R @@ -42,4 +40,138 @@ Men who _fantasize about_ being women, do not particularly rememble actual women ([Amanda Marcotte](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Marcotte) once described one of my comments as "cute"! It ... was not a compliment.) -_Feminist Interpretations of Ayn Rand_ \ No newline at end of file +, like drugs and sex, it wasn't salient to me as something that actually happens in real life, rather than on television + +(Where "girls" are the ones with a vagina, breasts, _&c._) + +changing emotions/accent fantasies: https://www.greaterwrong.com/posts/wAW4ENCSEHwYbrwtn/other-people-s-procedural-knowledge-gaps/comment/pheakgvLbFndXccXC + +/2017/Feb/a-beacon-through-the-darkness-or-getting-it-right-the-first-time/ + +[TODO: sentence about how "gender identity" was offensive to me, link to "A Beacon"] + +https://web.archive.org/web/20200118114912/https://yudkowsky.net/obsolete/bookshelf.html + +heresy + +learned things in the wrong order + +Anyway, I kind of spent the next ten years reading everything I could about sex and gender and transgender and feminism and evopsych and doing various things with my social presentation—sometimes things I regretted and reverted after a lot of pain—to try to seem not-masculine, + + +all the while assuming that my gender problems were clearly not the same thing as the gender problems of actual trans women, + +because the standard narrative was that that's + +up through 2016 I was grappling with these issues, + +I'm weird, but I'm not _that_ weird. + +about gender identity being discordant from sex assigned at birth, + +which was clearly not what my thing was. + +I thought, essentially, "Gee, it's too bad this beautiful word which so perfectly describes the beautiful feeling at the center of my life happened to be coined in the context of this controversial theory about the etiology of MtF transsexualism which is probably false because everyone says it's obviously false." + +inference by analogy—even if not all trans women are exactly like me, at least a lot of them are going to be similar + +https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/XYCEB9roxEBfgjfxs/the-scales-of-justice-the-notebook-of-rationality +writes down all the facts that aren't on anyone's side. + +"gay and trans" + +----- + +_(content warning sexism)_ +_(content warning transphobia)_ +_(content warning too much information about weird fetishes)_ +_(content warning WTF did I just read)_ + +(October 2020, [TODO] words) + + +----- + +Hi SneerClub! I noticed that you've enjoyed some of my [previous](https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/fw9cng/the_lgbt_activist_machinery_instead_adapted/) [work](https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/61t94y/rationalist_tries_justifying_their_transphobia_by/), so I thought I would go ahead and proactively share this one with you, because (I'm guessing) it probably checks a lot of the boxes for top sneerable content: it's got Yudkowsky hero-worship, _and_ sexism (as many of you would define that), _and_ transphobia (as many of you would define that), _and_ weird sex stuff! + +(From _my_ perspective, I'm pouring my heart out about the most important thing in my life, but if someone else with a different perspective would only sneer, then I can only hope to have been—if only for a moment, as part of a subroutine in the optimal sneer computation—_understood_. And for that moment, I am grateful.) + + +Sometimes I sigh because I'll never get rich +And there's no magic so I can't be a witch +And that I must enjoy the scorn of the world +Just 'cause I'm butch and I'm a tranny girl + +------ + + What makes it hard to think about is that humans don't really _know_ how our own minds work. Evolution endowed us with certain capacities for making sense of the world, in our own way, when making sense of the world increased fitness in the environment of evolutionary adaptedness, but this mostly doesn't extend to making sense of the _mechanisms by which_ we can make sense of the world. + +----- + +[stonewalling](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/wqmmv6NraYv4Xoeyj/conversation-halters) + + + +[sympathetic minds gay couples anecdote] +Anne Lawrence described autogynephiles as ["men who love women and want to become what they love."](/papers/lawrence-becoming_what_we_love.pdf) But it's worse than that. We're men who love what we _wish_ women were, and want to become _that_. + +[I have seen the destiny of my neurotype, and am putting forth a convulsive effort to wrench it off its path. My weapon is clear writing.](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/i8q4vXestDkGTFwsc/human-evil-and-muddled-thinking) + +https://archive.is/7Wolo +> the massive correlation between exposure to Yudkowsky’s writings and being a trans woman (can’t bother to do the calculations but the connection is absurdly strong) +Namespace's point about the two EYs + +link back to Murray review: can't oppress people on the basis of sex if sex _doesn't exist_ + +https://surveyanon.wordpress.com/2020/10/24/is-autogynephilia-real-the-phenomenon-the-construct-the-theory/ + +https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/vjmw8tW6wZAtNJMKo/which-parts-are-me + +If we _actually had_ the magical perfect sex change technology described in "Changing Emotions"—if it cost $200,000, I would take out a bank loan and _do it_, and live happily ever after. + +(Though I'd call myself a transwoman—one word, for the same reason the _verthandi_ in "Failed Utopia #4-2" got their own word. I currently write "trans woman", two words, as a strategic concession to the shibboleth-detectors of my target audience:[^two-words] I don't want to to _prematurely_ scare off progressive-socialized readers on account of mere orthography, when what I actually have to say is already disturbing enough.) + +people like me being incentivized to identify as part of a political pressure group that attempts to leverage claims of victimhood into claims on power + +[fallacy of compression _ironed in to the culture_, that resists attempts to deconfuse] + +[I know _exactly_ what's wrong with me] + +[TODO: two-types as a first approximation] + +[TODO: others like me, gender of the gaps] + +[TODO: the last sequence was "Craft and the Community", which has aged by far the worst—part of the robot cult's "common interest of many causes" was getting everything right, including reformulating trans ideology to be sane, which should benefit everyone because of dark-side-epistemology—but that's not realistic] + +[TODO: are we getting new recruits? A lot of the names I see are old] + + +Yudkowsky says trans rights! + + +https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/jMTbQj9XB5ah2maup/similarity-clusters +https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/cFzC996D7Jjds3vS9/arguing-by-definition + +https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/9QxnfMYccz9QRgZ5z/the-costly-coordination-mechanism-of-common-knowledge + + +as demonstrated by the likes of [FaceApp](https://www.faceapp.com/), the _uniquely best piece of software in the world_. + +(Note that we can already basically do this for _images_ of female and male faces, using the [latent spaces found by generative adversarial networks]() and [autoencoders](), + +Doing it for _actual whole people in the real world_ and not just flat images is a task for future superintelligences, not present-day GANs, but some of same basic principles should apply.) + +[TODO: Mathematically, +Joel et al. and response—maybe in next paragraph +Beyond the Binary: https://www.pnas.org/content/112/50/15468 +http://cogprints.org/10046/1/Delgiudice_etal_critique_joel_2015.pdf + + +> once you draw a boundary around a group, the mind starts trying to harvest similarities from the group. And unfortunately the human pattern-detectors seem to operate in such overdrive that we see patterns whether they're there or not; a weakly negative correlation can be mistaken for a strong positive one with a bit of selective memory. +https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/veN86cBhoe7mBxXLk/categorizing-has-consequences + +96.8% classification from MRI https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6374327/ +] +[the wrists: http://unremediatedgender.space/papers/yune_et_al-beyond_human_perception_sexual_dimorphism_in_hand_and_wrist_radiographs.pdf] + +Face editing with Generative Adversarial Networks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCKbRCUyop8 \ No newline at end of file