X-Git-Url: http://unremediatedgender.space/source?p=Ultimately_Untrue_Thought.git;a=blobdiff_plain;f=notes%2Fsexual-dimorphism-in-the-sequences-notes.md;h=fb227b47113d0b60d1781e23ba376637f7402307;hp=62bdc675a1693518d2a0207aa6d6c08d617cbef0;hb=0dc3be71e7bd0c81c47fed92b00e4285eca98a39;hpb=e9743ebaad84cd759481d04cf194034c13659a06 diff --git a/notes/sexual-dimorphism-in-the-sequences-notes.md b/notes/sexual-dimorphism-in-the-sequences-notes.md index 62bdc67..fb227b4 100644 --- a/notes/sexual-dimorphism-in-the-sequences-notes.md +++ b/notes/sexual-dimorphism-in-the-sequences-notes.md @@ -1,34 +1,60 @@ -Incidents to Include— +Marketing— -Done(ish)— -✓ "Failed Utopia 4-2" -✓ "Changing Emotions" +To LW— -Easy— -* love of a man for a woman, and vice versa as separate fragments of value -* Psychological Unity of Humankind is only up to sex +_(content warning sexism)_ +_(content warning transphobia)_ +_(content warning too much information about weird fetishes)_ +_(content warning WTF did I just read)_ + +(November 2020, [TODO] words) + +---- + +On Twitter— +WTF transphobic garbage did I just read?? Too bad Yudkowsky can't control how creepy randos on the internet interpret his work ... + +----- + +To SneerClub— + +Hi SneerClub! I noticed that you've enjoyed some of my [previous](https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/fw9cng/the_lgbt_activist_machinery_instead_adapted/) [work](https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/61t94y/rationalist_tries_justifying_their_transphobia_by/), so I thought I would go ahead and proactively share this one with you, because (I'm guessing) it probably checks a lot of the boxes for top sneerable content: it's got Yudkowsky hero-worship, _and_ sexism (as many of you would define that), _and_ transphobia (as many of you would define that), _and_ weird sex stuff! + +(From _my_ perspective, I'm pouring my heart out about the most important thing in my life, but if someone else with a different perspective would only sneer, then I can only hope to have been—if only for a moment, as part of a subroutine in the optimal sneer computation—_understood_. And for that moment, I am grateful.) + +----- + +Points to work in— * Superhappies empathic inference for not wanting to believe girls were different +https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/qCsxiojX7BSLuuBgQ/the-super-happy-people-3-8 * "The Opposite Sex" https://web.archive.org/web/20130216025508/http://lesswrong.com/lw/rp/the_opposite_sex/ * EY was right about "men need to think about themselves _as men_" (find cite) * Vassar slapping me down * "Mr. Davis" -* I'm not actually very good at first-person visualization, which demonstrates something +* Faster Than Science, Transgender Edition (prior draft) +* "I often wish some men/women would appreciate" +* empathic inference: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/NLMo5FZWFFq652MNe/sympathetic-minds https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Zkzzjg3h7hW5Z36hK/humans-in-funny-suits https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/9fpWoXpNv83BAHJdc/the-comedy-of-behaviorism * study evidence that this is actually common * AGPs dating each other is the analogue of "Failed Utopia 4-2"!! +* wipe culturally defined values +* finding things in the refrigerator +* https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/FBgozHEv7J72NCEPB/my-way https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/xsyG7PkMekHud2DMK/of-gender-and-rationality +----- -Harder— -* Faster Than Science, Transgender Edition (prior draft) -* "I often wish some men/women would appreciate" -* empathic inference: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/NLMo5FZWFFq652MNe/sympathetic-minds https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Zkzzjg3h7hW5Z36hK/humans-in-funny-suits https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/9fpWoXpNv83BAHJdc/the-comedy-of-behaviorism +Outline for remaining Coda— + * you can doubt someone's theory without doubting their report-as-data + * what "as a first approximation" means in causal graphs + * people have a political incentive to deny, but I'm making a fact-claim + * I would have expected the "rationalists" to be interested in getting the right answer (quote the "20% of the ones with penises" Facebook post), but it doesn't look like that's happening + + +----- "different thing that I don't understand" /2019/Jan/interlude-xvi/ -* wipe culturally defined values -* finding things in the refrigerator -* https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/FBgozHEv7J72NCEPB/my-way https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/xsyG7PkMekHud2DMK/of-gender-and-rationality Be careful to phrase the early part as about _me_, and only point fingers at trans women in the coda @@ -62,7 +88,6 @@ learned things in the wrong order Anyway, I kind of spent the next ten years reading everything I could about sex and gender and transgender and feminism and evopsych and doing various things with my social presentation—sometimes things I regretted and reverted after a lot of pain—to try to seem not-masculine, - all the while assuming that my gender problems were clearly not the same thing as the gender problems of actual trans women, because the standard narrative was that that's @@ -86,22 +111,8 @@ writes down all the facts that aren't on anyone's side. ----- -_(content warning sexism)_ -_(content warning transphobia)_ -_(content warning too much information about weird fetishes)_ -_(content warning WTF did I just read)_ - -(November 2020, [TODO] words) - ----- - -WTF transphobic garbage did I just read?? Too bad Yudkowsky can't control how creepy randos on the internet interpret his work ... - ------ -Hi SneerClub! I noticed that you've enjoyed some of my [previous](https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/fw9cng/the_lgbt_activist_machinery_instead_adapted/) [work](https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/61t94y/rationalist_tries_justifying_their_transphobia_by/), so I thought I would go ahead and proactively share this one with you, because (I'm guessing) it probably checks a lot of the boxes for top sneerable content: it's got Yudkowsky hero-worship, _and_ sexism (as many of you would define that), _and_ transphobia (as many of you would define that), _and_ weird sex stuff! -(From _my_ perspective, I'm pouring my heart out about the most important thing in my life, but if someone else with a different perspective would only sneer, then I can only hope to have been—if only for a moment, as part of a subroutine in the optimal sneer computation—_understood_. And for that moment, I am grateful.) Sometimes I sigh because I'll never get rich @@ -182,8 +193,33 @@ address GI->AGP direction (The scintillating but ultimately untrue thought.) - Fit in somewhere— https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/KmghfjH6RgXvoKruJ/hand-vs-fingers -I'm not objecting to your existence, I'm only objecting to the prerequisites to your existence \ No newline at end of file +I'm not objecting to your existence, I'm only objecting to the prerequisites to your existence + +From my email to Jessica— +> As you know, reality has a single level (physics), but our models of reality have multiple levels. To get maximally precise predictions about everything, you would have to model the underlying quarks, &c., which is impossible. (As it is written: the map is not the territory, but you can't roll up the territory and put in your glove compartment.) + +> There could be situations in psychology where a good theory (not a perfect theory, but a good theory to the precision that our theories about engineering bridges are good) would be described by a 70-node causal graph, but it turns out that some of the more "important" variables in the graph happen to anti-correlate with each other, such that stupid humans who don't know how to discover the correct 70-node graph, do manage to pattern-match their way to a two-type typology that actually is better, as a first approximation, than pretending not to have a theory. (See Tailcalled on "zooming in" on the typology to at least a four node graph.) + +But once you stop taking the "gender identity"/"woman trapped in a man's body" story as _axiom_ and + + +It's possible to disagree with people's _theoretical account_ of their own psychology, without doubting the honesty of their self-report, in the sense that people are doing their best to translate the ineffable _qualia_ of their experience into words. + +[throw a chair](/2019/Jan/use-it-or-lose-it/) and yell, "How dumb do you think we are?!" + +The claim is not that the trans woman who describes her experience as an "internal sense of her own gender" is lying. + +If someone claims to have an inter + +https://surveyanon.wordpress.com/2019/10/27/the-mathematical-consequences-of-a-toy-model-of-gender-transition/ + +You might ask, what do I mean by "as a first approximation"? + +/2018/Jan/dont-negotiate-with-terrorist-memeplexes/#a-thing-about-me + +Men who fantasize about being women do not particularly resemble actual women! We just—don't? This seems kind of obvious, really? _Telling the difference between fantasy and reality_ is kind of an important life skill?! + +_You have to let me show you what you are_. \ No newline at end of file