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@@ -106,11 +106,6 @@ This difference in priors is, again, is likely to go back to how plausible one t
 
 If a small child says, "I like this, more!" about some food, I take that literally, because immediate sensory experieces are something any animal is qualified to have an informed preference about. If a small child _in Berkeley where people talk about gender all the time_ says, "I'm sad about being percieved as a boy", I believe the part about being sad, but I'm _much_ more skeptical about the "about being perceived as a boy" part of the description. _Taken literally_, that's a _really abstract_ preference: absent a compelling theory of where all the trans kids were ten years ago, I'm a lot more inclined to chalk it up to, "I dunno, kids say lots of weird things, including on themes they pick up from their cultural environment." (I'm not _just_ being [age-ist](https://ncc-1776.org/tle1997/le970401-10.html) here; I'm _also_ pretty skeptical of a lot of grown-up verbal self-reports of gender identity and gender dysphoria, for specific reasons that are beyond the scope of this document.)
 
-### 2.4 Interlude: So what?
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-It's possible for someone to broadly _agree_ with the theory set forth in this section as to the _etiology_ of the child's self-reports, while still endorsing the social transition. "Sure," says the adherent of this view, "I agree that if [child] had been raised in the culture of ten years earlier, she would still be [deadname]. But that's social progress—it's _better_ that children be able to choose their gender for reasons _less extreme_ than classical EOGD—or any reason at all, even a whim. And _of course_ that [freedom will result in more trans kids than in the old culture.](http://unremediatedgender.space/2017/Dec/lesser-known-demand-curves/) Why are you being so cisnormative?"
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-In the next section, I will attempt to explain why I think some degree of cisnormativity is advisable.
 
 ## 3. Potential Harm Scenarios
 
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 _(Epistemic status: lit review)_
 
-[TODO: summarize Reiner's ["Psychosexual development in genetic males assigned female: the cloacal exstrophy experience"](http://unremediatedgender.space/papers/reiner-psychosexual_development_in_genetic_males.pdf) and the discussion of Reiner's work in Ch. 3 of [_The Man Who Would Be Queen_](https://surveyanon.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/the-man-who-would-be-queen.pdf); basically, it used to be standard practice for boys with a penis-destroying rare birth defect to be raised as girls; it didn't take about half the time, and kids for whom it did take are not obviously happy]
+[TODO: summarize Reiner's ["Psychosexual development in genetic males assigned female: the cloacal exstrophy experience"](http://unremediatedgender.space/papers/reiner-psychosexual_development_in_genetic_males.pdf) and the discussion of Reiner's work in Ch. 3 of [_The Man Who Would Be Queen_](https://surveyanon.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/the-man-who-would-be-queen.pdf); basically, it used to be standard practice for boys with a penis-destroying rare birth defect to be raised as girls; it didn't take about half the time, and kids for whom it did take are not obviously happy
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+Bradley, S. J., Oliver, G. D., Chernick, A. B., & Zucker, K. J. (1998). Experiment of nurture: ablatio penis at 2 months, sex reassignment at 7 months, and a psychosexual follow-up in young adulthood. Pediatrics, 102, e9.
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+Reiner, W. G. & Gearhart, J. P. (2004). Discordant sexual identity in some genetic males with cloacal exstrophy assigned to female sex at birth. New England Journal of Medicine, 350, 333–341
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+Meyer-Bahlburg, H. F. L. (2005a). Gender identity outcome in female-raised 46,XY persons with penile agenesis, cloacal exstrophy of the bladder, or penile ablation. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 34, 423–438.
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+]
 
 ### 3.4 Switching Costs Are Not Obviously Trivial