From fc34ad3eec5f9ff9e9f1fd0e528274f0642e7266 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: "M. Taylor Saotome-Westlake" Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 17:42:44 -0700 Subject: [PATCH] Friday redemption block 5: Thellim's horror --- notes/a-hill-of-validity-sections.md | 10 ++++------ 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-) diff --git a/notes/a-hill-of-validity-sections.md b/notes/a-hill-of-validity-sections.md index bb280b8..fa6fcce 100644 --- a/notes/a-hill-of-validity-sections.md +++ b/notes/a-hill-of-validity-sections.md @@ -349,18 +349,16 @@ Robert Stadler ---------- -https://www.glowfic.com/posts/4508?page=14 +In [one of Yudkowsky's roleplaying fiction threads](https://www.glowfic.com/posts/4508), Thellim, a woman hailing from [a saner alternate version of Earth](https://www.lesswrong.com/tag/dath-ilan) [expresses horror and disgust at how shallow and superficial the characters in _Pride and Prejudice_ are, in contrast to what a human being _should_ be](https://www.glowfic.com/replies/1592898#reply-1592898): + > Real people have concepts of their own minds, and contemplate their prior ideas of themselves in relation to a continually observed flow of their actual thoughts, and try to improve both their self-models and their selves. -There's a glowfic thread where Thellim is _horrified_ at how shallow and superficial Jane Austen characters are, in contrast to what a human being _should_ be: "Real people have concepts of their own minds, and contemplate their prior ideas of themselves in relation to a continually observed flow of their actual thoughts, and try to improve both their self-models and their selves." +When someone else doesn't see the problem with Jane Austen's characters, Thellim [redoubles her determination to explain the problem](https://www.glowfic.com/replies/1592987#reply-1592987): "_She is not giving up that easily. Not on an entire planet full of people._" -This horror is basically how I feel about trans culture. It actively discourages self-modeling! (People who have cross-sex fantasies are encouraged to reify them into an gender identity which everyone else is supposed to unquestioningly accept. Politically-unfavorable critical questions about what's actually going on etiologically, what it means for an identity to be true, _&c._ are strongly discouraged as hateful, hurtful, distressing, _&c._) +Thellim's horror at the fictional world of Jane Austen is basically how I feel about real-world trans culture. It _actively discourages self-modeling!_ People who have cross-sex fantasies are encouraged to reify them into an gender identity which everyone else is supposed to unquestioningly accept. Politically-unfavorable critical questions about what's actually going on etiologically, what it means for an identity to be true, _&c._ are strongly discouraged as hateful, hurtful, distressing, _&c._ -https://www.glowfic.com/posts/4508?page=20 -_She is not giving up that easily. Not on an entire planet full of people._ -https://www.glowfic.com/posts/4508?page=21 ----------- -- 2.17.1