+But I would have expected people with the barest inkling of self-awareness and honesty to ... notice the incentives, and notice the problems being created by the incentives, and to talk about the problems in public so that we can coordinate on the best solution, [whatever that turns out to be](/2021/Sep/i-dont-do-policy/)?
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+And if that's too much to expect of the general public—
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+And it's too much to expect garden-variety "rationalists" to figure out on their own without prompting from their betters—
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+Then I would have at least expected Eliezer Yudkowsky to be _in favor of_ rather than _against_ his faithful students having these very basic capabilities for reflection, self-observation, and ... _speech_?
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+I would have expected Eliezer Yudkowsky to not _actively try to transform me into a Jane Austen character_.
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+[TODO section: rats from the Scott Alexander era will protest that I'm being uncharitable—failure of perspective taking; but I'm not complaining about Yudkowsky's subjective experience; I'm talking about a very clear pattern of behavior that's gone on for _years_]
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+[TODO: let's recap]
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+[TODO: the important thing is not being put in a box
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+ Scott Alexander chose feelings, but I don't hold that against him; self-aggrandizement]
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+[TODO section stakes, cooperation
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+> [_Perhaps_, replied the cold logic](https://www.yudkowsky.net/other/fiction/the-sword-of-good). _If the world were at stake._
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+> _Perhaps_, echoed the other part of himself, _but that is not what was actually happening._
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+I could forgive him for taking a shit on d4 of my chessboard (["at least 20% of the ones with penises are actually women"](https://www.facebook.com/yudkowsky/posts/10154078468809228)). I could even forgive him for subsequently taking a shit on e4 of my chessboard (["you're not standing in defense of truth if you insist on a word [...]"](https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1067198993485058048)) as long as he wiped most of the shit off afterwards, even though, really, I would have expected someone so smart to take a hint after the incident on d4.
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+But if he's _then_ going to take a shit on c3 of my chessboard ("the simplest and best protocol is, '"He" refers to the set of people who have asked us to use "he" [...]'")
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+the turd on c3 is a pretty big likelihood ratio
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+]