-_ address the "maybe it's good to be called names" point from "Hill" thread
-_ 2019 Discord discourse with Alicorner
+_ "What the Tortise Said" link
+_ 13th century word meanings
+_ the comment from old-OB where someone brought up the Dolphin objection and Yudkowsky linked "Mutual Information" in reply
+_ the other Twitter conversation incl. Tail where Yudkowsky says he's not taking a stand
+_ the exchange on old OB where I said to acknowledge that not all men _want_ to be masculine