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+> I said: "Sophie, I'm sorry things got heated last night. I understand your point of view. A lot of it used to be mine, too. Like I said, I went to U.C. Santa Cruz and Berkeley back in the 1970s, when everything was about socialism. But 40 years of life and reporting in 60 countries has taught me that life is more nuanced than that. These issues aren't that simple. They're more complicated."
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+> She replied, sounding a little distressed and a little bitter, I thought: "When did you begin thinking like that?"
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+> I said: "Piece by piece, not all at once. Over 40 years. Look, I'd love to talk to you again 40 years from now and see if your thinking has changed at all. But I can't—I'll be dead."
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+> She did laugh ruefully at that.
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+> —https://donaldgmcneiljr1954.medium.com/nytimes-peru-n-word-part-four-what-happened-in-peru-2a641a9b5e83
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