memoir: complicity and friendship

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 ✓ Dolphin War finish
 ✓ lead-in to Sept. 2021 Twitter altercation
 ✓ out of patience email
-- Michael Vassar and the Theory of Optimal Gossip
+✓ Michael Vassar and the Theory of Optimal Gossip
+✓ complicity and friendship
 _ plan to reach out to Rick / Michael on creepy men/crazy men
 _ State of Steven
 _ reaction to Ziz
-_ complicity and friendship
 _ repair pt. 5 dath ilan transition
 - Eliezerfic fight conclusion
 
@@ -80,6 +80,7 @@ _ cut lots of words from Scotts comments on Jessica's MIRI post (keep: "attempti
 
 dath ilan ancillary tier—
 _ Who are the 9 most important legislators called?
+_ collect Earth people sneers
 
 
 things to discuss with Michael/Ben/Jessica—
@@ -298,7 +299,7 @@ people to consult before publishing, for feedback or right of objection—
 _ Iceman
 _ Scott
 _ hostile prereader (April—if not, J. Beshir, Swimmer, someone else from Alicorner #drama)
-_ Kelsey
+_ Kelsey (what was that 1 year statute of limitations about??)
 _ NRx Twitter bro
 _ maybe SK (briefly about his name)? (the memoir might have the opposite problem (too long) from my hostile-shorthand Twitter snipes)
 _ Megan (that poem could easily be about some other entomologist named Megan) ... I'm probably going to cut that §, though
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 Was he subtweeting me?? (Because I was defending criticism against tone policing, and this is saying tone is a valid cue.) If it was a subtweet, I take that as vindication that my reply was a good use of bandwidth.
 
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+In particular, I think the conspiracy theory "Yudkowsky sometimes avoids nuanced arguments that he doesn't trust people to understand" is true, because ... you've said so (e.g., "without getting into any weirdness that I don't expect Earthlings to think about validly"). https://www.greaterwrong.com/posts/2NncxDQ3KBDCxiJiP/cosmopolitan-values-don-t-come-free/comment/dMHdWcxgSpcdyG4hb
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+(He responded to me in this interaction, which is interesting.)
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+https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1708587781424046242
+> Zack, you missed this point presumably because you're losing your grasp of basic theory in favor of conspiracy theory.
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+https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/qbcuk8WwFnTZcXTd6/thomas-kwa-s-miri-research-experience
+> The model was something like: Nate and Eliezer have a mindset that's good for both capabilities and alignment, and so if we talk to other alignment researchers about our work, the mindset will diffuse into the alignment community, and thence to OpenAI, where it would speed up capabilities.