https://www.hpmor.com/chapter/97
> one technique was to look at what _ended up_ happening, assume it was the _intended_ result, and ask who benefited.
+> This about dath ilani, they are trained in a theory of social deception that says that people can arrange reasons, excuses, for anything, and so at the end of it all you look at what happened and try to build an explanation around that alone.
+https://www.glowfic.com/replies/1820866#reply-1820866
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> At least, I have a MASSIVE home territory advantage because I can appeal to Eliezer's writings from 10 years ago, and ppl can't say "Eliezer who? He's probably a bad man"
flu virus that cures Borderer culture
https://twitter.com/Kenku_Allaryi/status/1524646257976877057
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Anna thinks that committees can't do anything worthwhile; for endeavors requiring a lot of coordination, it's useful for leaders to have slack to make decisions without having to justify themselves to a mob. Anna endorses Straussianism: writing for the few is different from writing for the many, and that some of Ben's stuff may have veered too far towards loading negative affect on EA leaders; I and my model of Michael have reservations about the extent to which \"writing for the few\" could also be described as \"colluding to deceive the rest of the world\
-[TODO: at first I made some pushback comments on other people's posts; e.g., Robby's thread on 7 Feburary
-Then it blossomed into an extended tantrum on my own wall—
-31 posts total between—"some of you may have noticed" Sat 11 Feb, and promising to quite Facebook for a week 0844 15 Feburary
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-my terrible date with Anna T. was actually on 12 February—that explains why I remember being so distracted!
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-Tue Feb 14 2017 10:52:04
-So my theory is Anna would not be reacting as vehemently had you not recently asked her out
-And that she is trying to play a signaling game to salvage her status in the community by distancing herself from you"
-"See? See everyone? I rejected him! Don't burn me at the stake too!
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an irony: in my psychosis, I was scared that the world was far less legible than I had imagined, but that _wasn't_ why my ordeal's and Devi's were so traumatic _at all_: the psych ward is _very much_ governed by legible rules, rules that I had no control over
+[initial fan mail to Bailey on 7 January, followup to include blog link on 11 February; initial fan mail to Blanchard 10 August]
I had some self-awareness that I was going off the rails—
> She had a delusional mental breakdown; you're a little bit manic; I'm in the Avatar state. https://www.facebook.com/zmdavis/posts/10154813104220199
-sent Anna T. Oops / Ooops / Cooperate 6x messages on Thu 16 Feb at around 1530 ...
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-Ziz: Vassar was talking about you recently approvingly, having read your facebook wall. Something about a war between being able to think and gaslighting.
-Like he named you as one of three fronts the war is playing out on. Jack also seemed to agree. \"Sarah vs Ben, Rob vs Ben Todd, Zack Davis vs the world Thu Feb 16 2017 16:06:42 GMT-0800
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-I remember being afraid that the thing that happened to Eliezer and then Scott was going to happen to me, and that it would be bad; I told Ben, "I don't think I want to be the Avatar yet" Thu Feb 16 2017 15:51:32
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-to Ben: "I'm so sorry; I want to be part of the coalition but I'm so confused; and the fact that I was confused made me say Defect a bunch of time" Fri Feb 17 2017 14:23:53
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to Ben: "I thought I got a message from Michael Vassar saying that the main coalitions were you, and Sarah Constantine, and Zack Davis vs. the world" Fri Feb 17 2017 14:30:55 GMT-0800
scared that Orion was going to kill me
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You gave me hot chocolate last night, right? I was worried that you were subconsciously poisoning me; not on purpose, but because there are just a lot of contaminants in cities; things that taste sweet to children but are actually poisonous; but, Anna said that most events are normal; I don't remember that note"
+Mon Apr 10 08:51:03 PDT 2017
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+Michael's "Congratulations on not going back to work at the carpet store!" was a reference to Rick & Morty "Mortynight Run" which aired in August 2015, but I hadn't seen it yet
winning Hamilton tickets at $2200
the Extropians post _explicitly_ says "may be a common sexual fantasy"
> So spending a week as a member of the opposite sex may be a common sexual fantasy, but I wouldn't count on being able to do this six seconds after the Singularity. I would not be surprised to find that it took three subjective centuries before anyone had grown far enough to attempt a gender switch.
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-Dath ilan has a concept of "the Light"—the vector in policyspace perpendicular outwards from the Pareto curve, in which everyone's interests coincide.
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-In dath ilan they talk about the Light—the policy vector that everyone can agree on
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If you listen to the sorts of things the guy says lately, it looks like he's just completely given up on the idea that public speech could possibly be useful, or that anyone besides he and his flunkies is capable of thought. For example:
Lightwavers on Twitter (who Yudkowsky knew from /r/rational) dissed Charles Murray on Twitter
-https://www.glowfic.com/replies/1817422#reply-1817422
-> Strength is an externally visible and measurable quality that determines who you want in your army; you don't need to go by the presence of penises.
+https://nostalgebraist.tumblr.com/post/686455476984119296/eliezer-yudkowsky-seems-really-depressed-these
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+> So now my definitely-not-Kelthorkarni have weird mental inhibitions against actually listening to me, even when I clearly do know much better than they do. In retrospect I think I was guarding against entirely the wrong failure modes. The problem is not that they're too conformist, it's that they don't understand how to be defiant without diving heedlessly into the seas of entropy. It's plausible I should've just gone full Kelthorkarnen
+https://www.glowfic.com/replies/1614129#reply-1614129
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+I was pleading to him in his capacity as rationality leader, not AGI alignment leader; I know I have no business talking about the latter
-I'm skeptical that the "But the government can't have different laws for different groups" is something that would exist in dath ilan; it makes sense that we have this hangup in our world, but if you live in a Bayesian utopia in the first place, (a) you wouldn't have a taboo about using demographic categories for decisionmaking, and (b) you wouldn't have a special taboo about the _government_ doing so (that's dictating that the government is not allowed to be Bayesian because it's the government?!); it makes sense for evolutionarily novel things like dentists, but conscription is _the worst_ example
+(As an aside, it's actually kind of _hilarious_ how far Yudkowsky's "rationalist" movement has succeeded at winning status and mindshare in a Society whose [_de facto_ state religion](https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/07/08/gay-rites-are-civil-rites/) is [founded on eliminating "discrimination."](https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/woke-institutions-is-just-civil-rights) Did—did anyone besides me "get the joke"? I would have expected _Yudkowsky_ to get the joke, but I guess not??)
-"Different rules for different groups" is a solution to a social design problem; if you rule that out, you're ruling out a lot of the design space. This is still true even if you protest, "But you have to let people _leave_ the group if they don't want to be there; it's unjust to trap them there"
+[TODO: misrepresentation of the Light: Dath ilan has a concept of "the Light"—the vector in policyspace perpendicular outwards from the Pareto curve, in which everyone's interests coincide.]
-It makes sense for Keltham to disapprove of the status of women in Osiron, but I'd expect the objection to be _concrete_ (women in particular deserve property rights in particular) rather than "principled" (the government can't pass laws based on sex), because the principle is Earth-craziness
+"You're allowed to talk to me," he said at the Independence Day party
-so, what I meant was, when you enshrine a principle, "The law can't treat you differently because you're a halfling" (that is, the law can only refer to low-dimensional traits; it's not allowed to use the covariance in the big salient clusters in thick subspaces of configuration space that correspond to "protected classes"), that's decreasing the expressive power of the law, restricting the ontology that the law is about to reason about: effectively saying that Governance has to be _less_ Bayesian _because it's Governance_. That's a totally natural thing to want _if you're a 21st century American_, but seems wildly out-of-character for everything else we know about dath ilan and its cultural assumptions about Bayesian reasoning and the assumption of good-faith governance
+MIRI made a point of prosecuting Tyler Altman rather than participating (even if it was embarrassing to be embezzled from) because of game theory, but it sees folding to social-justice bullies as inevitable
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