memoir: how to organize ending?

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 with internet available—
-_ address the "maybe it's good to be called names" point from "Hill" thread
-_ 2019 Discord discourse with Alicorner
+_ "What the Tortise Said" link
+_ 13th century word meanings
+_ the comment from old-OB where someone brought up the Dolphin objection and Yudkowsky linked "Mutual Information" in reply
+_ the other Twitter conversation incl. Tail where Yudkowsky says he's not taking a stand
+_ the exchange on old OB where I said to acknowledge that not all men _want_ to be masculine
 _ screenshot Rob's Facebook comment which I link
 _ compile Categories references from the Dolphin War
+_ dates of subsequent philosophy-of-language posts
 
 far editing tier—
-_ edit discussion of "anti-trans" side given that I later emphasize that "sides" shouldn't be a thing
 _ clarify why Michael thought Scott was "gaslighting" me, include "beeseech bowels of Christ"
+_ address the "maybe it's good to be called names" point from "Hill" thread
+_ 2019 Discord discourse with Alicorner
+_ edit discussion of "anti-trans" side given that I later emphasize that "sides" shouldn't be a thing
 _ the right way to explain how I'm respecting Yudkowsky's privacy
 _ explain the adversarial pressure on privacy norms
 _ first EY contact was asking for public clarification or "I am being silenced" (so Glomarizing over "unsatisfying response" or no response isn't leaking anything Yudkowksy cares about)
@@ -23,6 +29,10 @@ _ erasing agency of Michael's friends, construed as a pawn
 _ mention the fact that Anna had always taken a "What You Can't Say" strategy
 _ when to use first _vs. last names
 _ explain why I'm not being charitable in 2018 thread analysis, that at the time, I thought it had to be a mistake
+_ January 2019 meeting with Ziz and Gwen
+_ better summary of Littman
+
+
 
 
 people to consult before publishing, for feedback or right of objection—
@@ -31,6 +41,7 @@ _ Ben/Jessica
 _ Scott
 _ Anna
 _ secret posse member
+_ Alicorn: about privacy, and for Melkor Glowfic reference link
 _ someone from Alicorner #drama as a hostile prereader (Swimmer?)
 _ maybe Kelsey (very briefly, just about her name)?
 _ maybe SK (briefly about his name)?
@@ -495,10 +506,6 @@ a rationality community that can't think about _practical_ issues that affect ou
 
 It's a _problem_ if public intellectuals in the current year need to pretend to be dumber than seven-year-olds in 2016
 
-> _Perhaps_, replied the cold logic. _If the world were at stake._
->
-> _Perhaps_, echoed the other part of himself, _but that is not what was actually happening._
-https://www.yudkowsky.net/other/fiction/the-sword-of-good
 
 https://www.readthesequences.com/
 > Because it is all, in the end, one thing. I talked about big important distant problems and neglected immediate life, but the laws governing them aren't actually different.
@@ -978,3 +985,15 @@ Thoughts on your proposed cruxes: 1 (harmful inferences) is an unworkable AI des
 
 https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1436025983522381827
 > Well, Zack hopefully shouldn't see this, but I do happen to endorse everything you just said, for your own personal information.
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+
+[SECTION about monastaries (with Ben and Anna in April 2019)
+I complained to Anna: "Getting the right answer in public on topic _X_ would be too expensive, so we won't do it" is _less damaging_ when the set of such <em>X</em>es is _small_. It looked to me like we added a new forbidden topic in the last ten years, without rolling back any of the old ones.
+
+"Reasoning in public is too expensive; reasoning in private is good enough" is _less damaging_ when there's some sort of _recruiting pipeline_ from the public into the monasteries: lure young smart people in with entertaining writing and shiny math, _then_ gradually undo their political brainwashing once they've already joined your cult. (It had [worked on me](/2021/May/sexual-dimorphism-in-the-sequences-in-relation-to-my-gender-problems/)!)
+
+I would be sympathetic to "rationalist" leaders like Anna or Yudkowsky playing that strategy if there were some sort of indication that they had _thought_, at all, about the pipeline problem—or even an indication that there _was_ an intact monastery somewhere.
+]
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+> Admitting something when being pushed a little, but never thinking it spontaneously and hence having those thoughts absent from your own thought processes, remains not sane.
+https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1501218503990431745