-first edit pass bookmark: "I got a chance to talk to"
+pt. 4 edit tier—
+✓ "A Fire" § title
+✓ make sure I'm summarizing "policy debates" moral from "Challenges"
+✓ revise "too good a writer" to be more explicit "someone could be that naive"
+✓ footnote about how I could be blamed for being too credulous?
+_ Stephen Jay Gould
+_ edit post to clarify "nudging the cognition"
+_ Tail's objection to FFS example
+_ Brennan "everyone else should participate" needs more wording adjustments
+_ Sept. 2020 clarification noted that a distinction should be made between
+_ emphasize that 2018 thread was policing TERF-like pronoun usage, not just disapproving of gender-based pronouns
+_ emphasize that the philosophy-of-language thing was MUCH worse
+_ note the "larger than protons" concession
+_ look for a place to link http://benjaminrosshoffman.com/discursive-warfare-and-faction-formation/
+_ parenthetical defending literal fraud?
+_ link https://thingofthings.substack.com/p/why-callout-posts-often-include-trivial
+_ the mailing list post noted it as a "common sexual fantasy"
+_ Feynman, "pretend that the master truthseekers of any age of history"
+_ Dawkins (https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/apr/20/richard-dawkins-loses-humanist-of-the-year-trans-comments) and Jerry Coyne (https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/08/27/on-helen-joyces-trans/) and Hooven (https://www.thefp.com/p/carole-hooven-why-i-left-harvard)
+_ emphasize that the philosophy-of-language thing is much worse
+_ it's gotten worse in the past 10–20 years
+_ social gender, hair color, and "believing in"
+_ cite more sneers; use a footnote to pack in as many as possible
+_ "if he decided after all that" exact clause
time-sensitive globals TODOs—
-✓ address red team objections to pt. 3
-✓ schedule Friendship Day at Valinor
-✓ apply pro edits to pt. 3
-✓ address auto edit tier to pt. 3
-✓ clear with Alicorn
-✓ fill in needed pt. 4 sections
-✓ send pt. 4 to editors
-
-- rephrase "everyone-yelling operation" in pt. 5
-_ rephrase "trans kids on the margin" section: https://luminousalicorn.tumblr.com/post/702114588699820032/what-exactly-are-the-tell-tale-signs-of-a-3-year
-_ finish and ship "Reply to Scott on Autogenderphilia"
-_ finish and ship "Hrunkner Unnerby"
-
-_ consult Anna
-_ clear with Steven
-_ clear with Kelsey
-_ clear with Michael/Ben/Jessica
-_ consult Said
-_ clear with Ray
-_ clear with Ruby
-
-_ SHIP PT. 3!!
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-
-_ finish pt. 5
+✓ consult Said
+✓ patriate-links script TODOs
+- remaining pt. 4 edit tier
+- draft #drama strategy opening remarks
+- consult Anna
+_ #drama strategy session
+_ draft Twitter thread
+_ consult lc?
+_ bully Jeff Ladish
+_ PUBLISH pt. 4!!
-_ apply red team pt. 4
-_ apply pro edit pt. 4
+--------
+_ finish pt. 5
_ address auto edit tier to pt. 5
_ solicit red team pt. 5
_ solicit pro edit pt. 5
_ apply red team pt. 5
_ apply pro edit pt. 5
-_ consult lc
-_ consult David Xu
-_ psychiatric disaster private doc
-
-
-pt. 3 edit tier (auto edition)—
-✓ FTX aside footnote version
-✓ revert alphabet names (from 17638259f20)
-✓ narcissistic delusions
-✓ clarify that cheerful price history is with Anna specifically
-✓ screenshot "pleading, snarky reply"
-✓ GreaterWrong over Less Wrong for comment links
-✓ return on cognitive investment
-✓ establish usage of "coordination group" vs. "posse" (posse)
-✓ do I have a better identifier than "Vassarite"
-✓ log2 with an 'o'
-✓ yank note about LW comment policy to top-level
-✓ "Common Interest of Many Causes" and "Kolmogorov Complicity" offer directly contradictory strategies
-✓ re-check wording of trans-kids-on-the-margin section
-_ briefly speculate on causes of brain damage in footnote?
-_ "consensus behavior" anti-school complaint could be stronger
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-_ Ruby fight included ban threat, "forces of blandness want me gone ... stand my ground" remark
-_ breakup song
-_ being friends with dogs (it's good, but do I have the wordcount budget?)
-_ mention that I was miffed about "Boundaries?" not getting Curated, while one of Euk's animal posts did
-_ explicitly mention http://benjaminrosshoffman.com/bad-faith-behavior-not-feeling/
-_ meeting with Ray (maybe?)
-_ mention Said rigor check somewhere, nervousness about Michael's gang being a mini-egregore
-_ I should respond to Ziz's charges that my criticism of concept-policing was a form of concept-policing
-_ Anna's claim that Scott was a target specifically because he was good, my counterclaim that payment can't be impunity
-_ maybe I do want to fill in a few more details about the Sasha disaster, conditional on what I end up writing regarding Scott's prosecution?—and conditional on my separate retro email—also the Zolpidem thing
-_ the "reducing negativity" post does obliquely hint at the regression point being general
-_ link to protest flyer
-_ "it was the same thing here"—most readers are not going to see an obvious analogy (editor might catch?)
-_ better explanation of MOPs in "Social Reality" scuffle (editor might catch?)
-_ better context on "scam" &c. earlier (editor might catch?)
-_ cut words from descriptions of other posts! (editor might catch?)
-_ try to clarify Abram's categories view (Michael didn't get it) (but it still seems clear to me on re-read?)
-
+✓ consult Tail
-pt. 4 edit tier—
-✓ "Ideology Is Not the Movement" mentions not misgendering
-✓ mention Nick Bostrom email scandal (and his not appearing on the one-sentence CAIS statement)
-✓ explain why he could think of some relevant differences
-✓ rephrase "gamete size" discussion to make it clearer that Yudkowsky's proposal also implicitly requires people to be agree about the clustering thing
-✓ honesty and humility, HEXACO
-✓ GreaterWrong over Less Wrong for comment links
-✓ ending qualifications on "fraud" and whether it might be a good idea
-✓ selective argumentation that's clearly labeled as such would be fine
-✓ if you only say good things about Republican candidates
-✓ he used to be worthy of trust
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-_ the mailing list post noted it as a "common sexual fantasy"
-_ Sept. 2020 clarification noted that a distinction should be made between
-_ emphasize that 2018 thread was policing TERF-like pronoun usage, not just disapproving of gender-based pronouns
-_ https://cognition.cafe/p/on-lies-and-liars
-_ cite more sneers; use a footnote to pack in as many as possible
+_ consult David Xu
+_ psychiatric disaster private doc
pt. 5 edit tier—
✓ sucking Scott's dick is helpful because he's now the main gateway instead of HPMOR
_ screenshot Xu thread
-things to discuss with Michael/Ben/Jessica—
-_ Anna on Paul Graham
-_ Yudkowsky thinking reasoning wasn't useful
-_ Jessica brought up race & IQ (she skimmed the previous draft, so I should highlight), or calling Ruby a MOP
-_ Ben publish "Discursive Warfare and Faction Formation" doc?
-_ footnote about FTX
-_ revision of "yelling" description
-_ Michael's SLAPP against REACH (new)
-_ Michael on creepy and crazy men (new)
-_ elided Sasha disaster (new)
-_ what should I say to Iceman? https://twitter.com/satisfiesvalues/status/1730025195413410129
-_ reached out to Garrison Lovely
-
+Vassar et al.—
+✓ "What You Can't Say"
+✓ reached out to Garrison Lovely
+✓ Michael on creepy and crazy men (new)
+✓ Michael's SLAPP against REACH (new)
+✓ elided Sasha disaster (new)
+✓ Ben publish "Discursive Warfare and Faction Formation" doc?
+✓ Yudkowsky thinking reasoning wasn't useful
+✓ Jessica brought up race & IQ (she skimmed the previous draft, so I should highlight), or calling Ruby a MOP
+✓ what should I say to Iceman? https://twitter.com/satisfiesvalues/status/1730025195413410129
+✓ footnote about FTX
+✓ revision of "yelling" description
pt. 3–5 prereaders—
https://arbital.greaterwrong.com/p/logical_dt/?l=5gc
It even leaked into Big Yud!!! "Counterfactuals were made for humanity, not humanity for counterfactuals."
+Still citing it (13 Feb 24): https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/kSq5qiafd6SqQoJWv/technologies-and-terminology-ai-isn-t-software-it-s-deepware
+
+Still citing it (22 Feb 24): https://twitter.com/mlbaggins/status/1760710932047577282
+
At least I don't have to link the rebuttal myself every time:
https://www.datasecretslox.com/index.php/topic,1553.msg38755.html
https://old.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/10vx6gk/the_categories_were_made_for_man_not_man_for_the/j7k8fjc/
+https://twitter.com/niplav_site/status/1744304380503904616
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https://jdpressman.com/2023/08/28/agi-ruin-and-the-road-to-iconoclasm.html
-https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/BahoNzY2pzSeM2Dtk/beware-of-stephen-j-gould
-> there comes a point in self-deception where it becomes morally indistinguishable from lying. Consistently self-serving scientific "error", in the face of repeated correction and without informing others of the criticism, blends over into scientific fraud.
-
https://time.com/collection/time100-ai/6309037/eliezer-yudkowsky/
> "I expected to be a tiny voice shouting into the void, and people listened instead. So I doubled down on that."
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https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/kuqgJDPF6nfscSZsZ/thread-for-discussing-bostrom-s-email-and-apology?commentId=Z7kyiPAfmtztueFFJ
+
+----
+
+"there just wasn't any reliable similarity between biology and AI" is an interesting contrast with the constant use of the evolution analogy despite credible challenges
+https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1738464784931025333
+
+-----
+
+What if, in addition to physical punishments and Detect Thoughts, Cheliax also had Adjust Thoughts, a "gradient descent for the brain" spell (given a desired behavior, nudge the spell target's psychology to be more likely to emit that behavior)? Does Carissa still have a winning strategy? Assume whatever implementation details make for a good story. (Maybe Cheliax is reluctant to use Adjust Thoughts too much because Asmodeus wants authentic tyrannized humans, and the Adjust Thoughts sculpting makes them less tyrannized?)
+
+> One thing is sure, the path that leads to sanity and survival doesn't start with lies or with reasoning by Appeal to (Internal) Consequences.
+https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1743522277835333865
+
+> To clarify a possibly misunderstood point: On my model, dath ilan's institutions only work because they're inhabited by dath ilani. Dath ilani invent good institutions even if they grow up in Earth; Governance on Earth lasts three days before Earth voters screw it up.
+https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1565516610286211072
+
+July 2023
+https://twitter.com/pawnofcthulhu/status/1680840089285582848
+> man i feel like the orthodox viewpoint on this has moved on from "let's define trans women as women" to like
+> "arguing about metaphysics is boring; letting people chose pronouns as part of self-expression seems like a thing a free society should allow for the same reason we should let people choose clothes; for many social purposes trans women are in fact empirically women"
+
+(If your "moderately serious" plan for survival is ["AI research journals banned, people violating that ban hunted down with partial effectiveness"](https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1739705063768232070), that might be your least-bad option as a consequentialist, but one of the things your consequentialist calculation should take into account is that you've declared war on people who want to do AI science on Earth.)
+
+public intellectual death
+https://scholars-stage.org/public-intellectuals-have-short-shelf-lives-but-why/
+
+> "Racism" is so commonly used weirdly that I think there are few circumstances left where I'd try to use the word to communicate. Instead I'd say, "X seems to be judging people negatively in a hard-to-shake-off way based on their skin color."
+https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1755624226550387013
+
+> "Study science, not just me!" is probably the most important piece of advice Ayn Rand should've given her followers and didn't. There's no one human being who ever lived, whose shoulders were broad enough to bear all the weight of a true science with many contributors.
+https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/96TBXaHwLbFyeAxrg/guardians-of-ayn-rand
+
+He's still dunking instead of engaging—
+https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1760701916739194949
+> Every time I've raised an inscrutable alien baby to hyperintelligence by giving it shots of heroin whenever it correctly predicts the exact next word spoken by fictional good characters, it's learned to be a genuinely good person inside!
+
+
+-----
+
+> I recently advised somebody to distinguish firmly in her mind between "X is actually true" and "X is the politic thing to say"; I advised drawing a great line and the creation of separate mental buckets. The words you write, taken at face value, seem to be missing some...
+
+https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1356493665988829186
+> ...similar distinctions. There's a distinction between honesty in the form of blurting out the whole truth, and honesty in the form of not uttering lies, and a related thing that's not making public confusions *worse* even if you aren't trying to unravel them. There's...
+
+https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1356493883094441984
+> ...being honest in the privacy of your own mind, and being honest with your friends, and being honest in public on the Internet, and even if these things are not perfectly uncorrelated, they are also not the same. Seeking truth is the first one. It's strange and disingenuous...
+
+https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1356494097511370752
+> ...to pretend that the master truthseekers of any age of history, must all have been blurting out everything they knew in public, at all times, on pain of not possibly being able to retain their Art otherwise. I doubt Richard Feynman was like that. More likely is that, say, ...
+
+https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1356494399945854976
+> ...he tried to avoid telling outright lies or making public confusions worse, but mainly got by on having a much-sharper-than-average dividing line in his mine between peer pressure against saying something, and that thing being *false*. That's definitely most of how I do it.
+
+-------
+
+> Anyone who's worked with me on public comms knows that among my first instructions is "We only use valid arguments here." (Which makes hiring writers difficult; they have to know the difference.) I've never called for lying to the public. Label the shit you make up as made-up.
+https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1760133310024671583
+
+https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/BahoNzY2pzSeM2Dtk/beware-of-stephen-j-gould
+> there comes a point in self-deception where it becomes morally indistinguishable from lying. Consistently self-serving scientific "error", in the face of repeated correction and without informing others of the criticism, blends over into scientific fraud.
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