I don't think we're in equilibrium; I don't think everyone knows what's going on
-
fragments—
O Wad Some Power the Giftie Gie Us; Or, the Identity Dysphoria Trap (school dysphoria)
on a Facebook thread about female-dominated gym classes, a female acquaintance writes, "My class focuses on weightlifting and it's still all women (including one trans, oddly enough)." (You wouldn't say "oddly enough" if you actually believed that trans women are women!)
This is so great (super-AGP 13th century Jewish narrative)
+https://web.archive.org/web/20160420122918/http://www.on1foot.org/text/even-bochan-kalonymus-ben-kalonymus
http://www.on1foot.org/text/even-bochan-kalonymus-ben-kalonymus
http://www.transtorah.org/PDFs/On-Becoming-A-Woman.pdf
He didn't actually transition.
-https://archive.is/7Wolo
-> the massive correlation between exposure to Yudkowsky’s writings and being a trans woman (can’t bother to do the calculations but the connection is absurdly strong)
-
https://americanmind.org/essays/children-and-transgenderism/
https://quillette.com/2019/09/24/no-one-is-born-in-the-wrong-body/
> But the blog wasn't always on that 'side', either. Scott wrote one of the best analyses/defenses of trans identity and nonbiological definition of gender that I've ever read, and which ultimately convinced me.
Yet again someone citing "Categories Were Made" as influential: https://old.reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/he96rm/star_slate_codex_deleted_because_of_nyt_article/fvr7h7w/
+people are STILL citing this shit! (14 Nov): https://twitter.com/Baltimoron87/status/1327730282703835137
+
Even the enemies respect that post!
https://twitter.com/KirinDave/status/1275647936194654208
-> And finally, I strongly disagree that one good article about accepting trans-ness means you get to walk away from writing that is somewhat white supremacist and quite fascist without at least awknowledging you were wrong.
And using it for defense.
-https://twitter.com/yashkaf/status/1275524303430262790
-> "Who cares about a blog for male nerd know-it-alls?"
-> The two demographics most over-represented in the SlateStarCodex readership according to the surveys are transgender people and Ph.D. holders.
Two mentions in https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/hhy2yc/what_would_you_put_in_the_essential_ssc_collection/
Another "Made for Man" cite: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/hhtwxi/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_june_29_2020/fwwxycr/
More damage control: https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/hpohy5/what_are_some_of_scotts_posts_that_challenge_the/fxsu8p0/
+(Comment was deleted. Was I over the line in commenting at all, or just because of the "transparently political reasons" side-swipe? The fact that it got ~18 points suggests the readership was OK with it, even if the moderators weren't)
+
+People are still citing it! https://twitter.com/churrundo/status/1283578666425806851
+
+Another new cite: https://twitter.com/FollowSamir/status/1289168867831373825
+
+Another new cite: https://applieddivinitystudies.com/2020/09/05/rationality-winning/
+
+Another new cite: https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/kdxbyd/this_blog_is_incredible/gg04f8c/ "My personal favorites among these are [ ], [... Not Man for the Categories], 10, and 2 in that order."
+
+Another new cite: https://twitter.com/rbaron321/status/1361841879445364739
+
+31 December
+"SSC also helped me understand trans issues" https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/kng0q4/mixed_feelings_on_scott_alexander/
+
+Still citing it (22 Mar 21): https://twitter.com/Cererean/status/1374130529667268609
+
+darwin2500 "Women's leagues are for women, trans women are women. That's all the justification needed" https://old.reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/hym5xb/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_july_27_2020/fzvfres/
+
+another "Categories Were Made" cite, just as an example post: https://old.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/i10p4m/survey_on_moving_ssc_to_substack/fzwkfqk/
"Sex Does Not Mean Gender. Equating Them Erases Trans Lives." https://archive.is/Mmlmi
----
-"My Son Wears Dresses; Get Over It" https://archive.is/FJNII
-note, "My Son Wears Dresses", and not, "My Daughter Is Trans"
-
https://medium.com/@mary.leng/harry-potter-and-the-reverse-voltaire-4c7f3a07241
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/rolltodisbelieve/2020/07/07/j-k-rowling-and-the-measuring-of-a-woman/
> I've noticed that authoritarian people love to define manhood and womanhood: to lay down the law about who qualifies for each particular label.
+
+https://www.outfrontmagazine.com/trending/facial-recognition-bias/
+https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/7/21128236/gender-app-giggle-women-ai-screen-trans-social
+> A new, female-only social media platform—Giggle—is being marketed as a safe space for women. The app uses a 3D scan of the users' faces in order to verify them as females. But there’s one problem: it doesn't work if you’re trans.
+> That’s problematic on a number of fronts, not least of which is that bone structure is clearly a poor indicator of gender identity.
+
+"The facts that need to be explained" http://archive.is/rjs7R
+
+https://www.facebook.com/aboyd.boyd/posts/4167291901694
+
+
+https://old.reddit.com/r/CultureWarRoundup/comments/hq9emh/offtopic_and_loweffort_cw_thread_for_the_week_of/fy6ymq1/
+> For many black people in particular, white societies are suffocating with their demands of restraint and industriousness; much like the worst stereotypes of Asian societies are suffocating from White point of view. Remember that article Scott reposted, on a Chinese school where children are forced to follow extremely precise and meaningless instructions for hours on end, suppressing their every impulse? That's how the world looks when you have poor impulse control.
+
+https://saidit.net/s/thisneverhappens/
+
+https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/bjpsych-bulletin/article/sex-gender-and-gender-identity-a-reevaluation-of-the-evidence/76A3DC54F3BD91E8D631B93397698B1A
+
+https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/bjpsych-bulletin/article/freedom-to-think-the-need-for-thorough-assessment-and-treatment-of-gender-dysphoric-children/F4B7F5CAFC0D0BE9FF3C7886BA6E904B/share/800abbaff82cc6eaa399c52d957a565b6978d459
+
+https://periodaisle.com/blogs/all/6-transgender-women-talk-menstruation
+
+https://arcdigital.media/cancel-clusters-77fada5d7a8a
+
+https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8560707/amp/Lecturer-sacked-praising-Jewish-scientists-German-engineers-slams-woke-brigade.html
+
+https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/01/parenting/non-binary-children-support.html
+
+https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/07/14/1919091117
+
+> the fact is there is no single word that accurately captures every shade of meaning
+https://sigmaleph.dreamwidth.org/54093.html
+
+thispersondoesnotexist.com should offer age/race/sex radio buttons rather than just "Another"
+but I guess if the model was just trained on a bunch of unlabeled face photos, it's not going to be obvious what to change to generate "only females"
+the model must have learned the features somehow in order to produce such realistic results
+
+https://twitter.com/zackmdavis/status/1165832120784146432
+the sad, continuous pain of seeing both sides, yet being on this one
+
+https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/i2r8qo/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_august_03_2020/g0tp7wq/
+> As an aside, sometimes it's great if English isn't your first language, because then, all of this stuff immediately stands out. [...] In Dutch, there is no word for 'gender' as opposed to 'sex'. [...] The local woke then imported the term from English along with the concept. So now, when e.g. the [...] city council of Amsterdam puts out press releases, the English word "gender" stands out like a sore thumb from the otherwise Dutch sentences and it's completely obvious to everyone what's going on.
+
+https://web.archive.org/web/20071013171416/http://www.singinst.org/blog/2007/06/11/the-stamp-collecting-device/
+
+Um, given our shared cultural context, I feel compelled to mention that I see myself as mostly making empirical and logical claims rather than being intrinsically value-unaligned? Such that, if you have specific counterarguments against my crusade (especially ones I'm not likely to have considered before), I'd be very grateful to hear them!
+
+(Because if the counterarguments are good, then I'm wrong and I should stop. Obviously.)
+
+And, like, the pure philosophy of language part in particular looks REALLY solid (and note that Jessica Taylor, who helped me with the math, agrees), even if empirical disagreements affect exactly how the philosophy applies to complex contemporary social issues—love to know what you think in the comments:
+
+
+But I guess you probably don't trust my rationality that much? Like, I expect us to agree that if you're not a topic-specialist, you're not likely to say things that I haven't heard before, whereas I am likely to say things you haven't heard before (even if you've read my blog, there's more I haven't written up yet)—but that's just a matter of me sinking compute into the particular topic; if I'm opposing a consensus that you trust, you might be confident that I'm in the wrong, even if it's not worth your time to pin down exactly why.
+
+Sorry if that observation was boring.
+
+https://uncommongroundmedia.com/deconstructing-the-good-transwomen/
+
+NYT—"Who Should Compete in Women's Sports? There Are 'Two Almost Irreconcilable Positions'": https://archive.is/Ckygw
+
+https://saidit.net/s/GenderCritical/comments/677z/the_clothesstealing_lesbianobsessed_agp/
+
+https://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html
+
+Andrew Sullivan profile https://archive.is/qviCi
+
+"Fluidity of gender identity induced by illusory body-sex change" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-71467-z
+
+I want to be careful not to fall into the trap of being a generic social conservative. My gender crusade becomes much less interesting insofar as it can be explained simply by me being born too early and not getting "kids these days." It's not that cultural change is necessarily bad;
+
+Doctoral thesis on TG/TF fantasy!
+https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/io1iih/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_september_07/g4codai/
+https://researchbank.swinburne.edu.au/file/065cf404-3114-4a42-a433-558eec179159/1/richard%20pilbeam%20thesis.pdf
+
+https://reclaimthenet.org/threats-of-violence-censorship-for-womens-rights-groups/
+https://archive.vn/hQFh1
+
+pee fantasy: https://ericatgswapcaps.blogspot.com/2020/09/swap-clinic-favorite-thing.html
+
+https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/f0dfmt/has_anyone_ever_wrestled_with_guys_and_be/
+
+> Make a mistake, suffer a disaster, learn a lesson. Make two mistakes, suffer a disaster, learn half a lesson.
+https://twitter.com/spaceandgames/status/210229439395659776
+
+Oftentimes you genuinely happen to run out of time for a particular conversation, and that's fine: if your stopping algorithm is based on how busy you are that day and the expected information value of the remaining conversation, then we should expect to get accurate shared maps _eventually_, even if some topics get "unlucky" that you were busy that day. If your stopping algorithm is based on political convenience (you leave the conversation _because_ the other party made a good point that you're not allowed to admit in Berkeley), then we _don't_ converge to accurate shared maps!
+
+https://www.fastcompany.com/90455454/im-a-trans-woman-google-photos-doesnt-know-how-to-categorize-me
+
+more Reiner:
+https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1421517/
+https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1421518/ "Genetic males with maletypical prenatal androgen effects should be reared male."
+
+Tail said only a third of the variance in personality self-report is real; I asked how we know, and he says you can do math on multiple informants—
+https://replicationindex.com/2019/07/21/hidden-invalidity-of-personality-measures/
+https://www.researchgate.net/publication/227671578_What_multi-method_data_tell_us_about_construct_validity
+https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.0022-3506.2004.00282.x
+
+https://psyarxiv.com/f2wkt/
+
+https://ideasanddata.wordpress.com/2020/09/30/on-proposed-environmental-causes-of-the-american-black-white-iq-gap/
+
+https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2020/09/22/men-of-character-on-the-rise-cold-numbers-fading/
+
+https://gript.ie/female-guards-raped-in-prison-by-trans-inmates-says-former-minister/
+
+https://uncommongroundmedia.com/the-four-horsemen-of-the-gender-critical-apocalypse/
+
+https://www.interfluidity.com/v2/7333.html "Markets launder history"—the analogy to trans history-rewriting makes me way more sympathetic to leftists
+
+https://carcinisation.com/2020/07/04/the-ongoing-accomplishment-of-the-big-five/
+
+https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13178-020-00502-5
+https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs13178-020-00489-z
+
+https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/j165sq/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_september_28/g7iydmv/
+> But your family, clan, kin are naturally biased in your favor by simple oxytocin-driven mechanics of attachment, and family provides you with more support as it grows; and men have been helplessly biased in favor of their women since time immemorial (but you can think no farther than Esther). Your "identity", on the other hand, owes you nothing: instead, you owe everything to it, as it is in the power of your identity's political representatives to paint you a champion or a traitor, and you become more replaceable the bigger your alliance grows. It is a much less robust, much more adversarial and suspicious and cold, much less humane way to run a society
+
+https://transfemscience.org/articles/
+
+https://defmacro.substack.com/p/against-xkcd-1357
+https://defmacro.substack.com/p/from-corporate-politics-there-is
+https://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2020/10/06/review-of-rod-drehers-live-not-by-lies/
+https://bonald.wordpress.com/2016/03/11/die-hard-a-model-of-the-enemys-motivation/
+
+robot cult influence:
+https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2corc0/just_in_case_hes_a_reddit_troll/ (compare https://www.lesswrong.com/users/grendelkhan)
+https://retrocomputing.stackexchange.com/a/16457 (compare https://www.lesswrong.com/users/wizzwizz4)
+
+https://www.ginamaya.co.uk/transgender-life/on-adopting-a-more-gender-critical-transgender-activism.html
+
+https://reason.com/2020/10/09/coupled-barred-from-fostering-their-1-year-old-great-granddaughter-because-of-their-opposition-to-homosexuality-and-gender-transitioning/
+
+egregore capture
+https://twitter.com/ElaineAtwell/status/1314261010547695620
+
+https://blog.jim.com/war/the-way-through-to-the-other-side-of-the-left-singularity/
+> Every tenured academic everywhere in the world abruptly changes position overnight when the wind from Harvard and Yale changes.
+
+https://male-to-female.org/en/philosophy
+
+https://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/duty-to-disclose-adverse-legal-authority
+
+https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/jeky8e/voxs_kelsey_piper_on_being_called_a_tradwife_i/g9hoi6p/
+> Leftists don't need a Quiverfull movement, because we can count on each of our Vile Offspring to seduce and ruin at least four Quiverfull kids each.
+[the brood-parasite strategy made explicit!]
+
+https://www.overcomingbias.com/2016/09/write-to-say-stuff-worth-knowing.html
+> If you can then get other influential writers in overlapping topic areas to read and be persuaded by your argument, you might contribute to a larger process whereby we all learn faster by usefully dividing up the task of learning about everything.
+
+Motta-Mena and Puts has the awesome probability-of-gynephilia-by-intersex-condition graph, "Endocrinology of human female sexuality, mating, and reproductive behavior"
+
+listen later: https://amgreatness.com/2020/10/15/whats-the-matter-with-liberalism-talking-with-alex-kaschuta/
+
+"still having Donna's brain"
+http://theinsomniactg.blogspot.com/2020/10/not-body-id-have-chosen.html
+
+https://www.calstatela.edu/faculty/talia-mae-bettcher-professor-and-chair
+
+https://www.fast.ai/2020/10/28/code-of-conduct/
+
+"World Rugby Bars Transgender Women, Baffling Players" https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/26/sports/olympics/world-rugby-transgender-women.html
+
+kayfabe: https://www.edge.org/response-detail/11783
+
+https://web.archive.org/web/20200705203105if_/https://reddit.com/r/GenderCriticalGuys/comments/hhcs34/autogynephilic_male_here_big_rant_about_denial_of/
+
+Idaho plantiff: https://uploads.ovarit.com/91cd2b5b-f8e9-52b0-86e4-b1b5104e5350.jpg
+
+https://www.christianpost.com/news/gofundme-removes-puberty-is-not-a-medical-condition-billboard.html
+
+https://quillette.com/2020/10/31/i-signed-up-to-study-sexual-health-what-i-got-was-gender-ideology-fetishism-and-porn/
+
+https://www.ladyscience.com/essays/the-dangers-of-categorizing-trans-desire
+
+> Importantly, the team cannot know the individual's gender identity, but rather only biological sex (which like gender doesn't always exist on a binary). In other words, they can't say whether the individual lived their life 9,000 years ago in a way that would identify them within their society as a woman.
+https://archive.is/ocQWg
+
+thread on the clothing-swap problem
+https://twitter.com/liminal_warmth/status/1323837794259619842
+including a DM about AGP: https://twitter.com/liminal_warmth/status/1324016024019062790
+
+https://ericatgswapcaps.blogspot.com/2020/11/swap-clinic-pay-piper.html
+
+help me understand: https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/jnxgm3/genuinely_please_help_me_understand/
+
+https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/02/reader-center/nonbinary-teens-reporting.html
+
+"Voter Fraud a Myth? That's Not What New York Investigators Found": https://archive.is/biahk
+
+https://quillette.com/2020/11/07/gender-activists-are-trying-to-cancel-my-book-why-is-silicon-valley-helping-them/
+
+> social upheaval means it's time to go all in on crypto, precious metals
+https://twitter.com/HiFromMichaelV/status/1324693317188308993
+
+"The Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis and Probabilistic Inference: Evidence from the Domain of Color"—study, summarize, and apply this to gender!!!
+https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0158725
+
+citation engine https://scite.ai/
+
+https://herandrews.com/2015/03/01/women-against-suffrage/
+
+https://www.christianpost.com/news/ministry-sue-bank-over-dropping-account-due-to-reparative-therapy.html
+https://unherd.com/2020/10/how-corporations-can-delete-your-existence/
+
+I'm currently planning on donating $500 to Kelly Loeffler
+[...]
+So, I agree that Orange Man Bad. But, Orange Man Gone! (Okay, there are some lawsuits to wrap up, but I don't think anyone expects those to go anywhere.)
+
+https://www.out.com/news/2020/11/11/norway-has-made-biphobic-transphobic-speech-illegal
+
+https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/jdvqk5/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_october_19/g9jw30k/?context=3
+> This is because once they hit puberty, no one wants young men around unless they're recruiting for a terrorist cell. [...] Whereas literally everyone wants young women. They come off as determined to be fuckups because they're being actively courted/recruited. Boys are left to fuck up their own lives.
+
+A vote for Kelly Loeffler is a vote for gridlock! A vote for gridlock is a vote to hit the brakes on our ongoing cultural revolution! A vote to hit the brakes is vengeance for Steve Hsu! A civilization that can't avenge Steve Hsu is DEAD (sooner or later and probably sooner) 2/2
+
+> Somebody can be born with a wiener, but not be a boy. Somebody else can be a boy, but not have a wiener.
+https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-do-boys-have-wieners/
+
+Is the Culture War lost? https://letter.wiki/conversation/930
+
+https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/ray-blanchard-transgender-orthodoxy/
+
+> we shall be fixed for ever in a universe of pure hatred
+https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/170990-suppose-one-reads-a-story-of-filthy-atrocities-in-the
+
+
+If you demand that people change how they think and talk about the world specifically in order to prove they're on your side (rather than because you have evidence and arguments explaining why your model is more accurate in the relevant domain), then people who care about thinking clearly will may reluctantly conclude they're not, in fact, on your side?
+
+Note, this is compatible with trans rights insofar as "more accurate in the relevant domain" can include grouping transsexuals with their social gender rather than their developmental sex, because it's possible for social transition to actually succeed on the merits of actually passing (or getting "close enough"), rather than acquiecing to demands. (Isn't that the goal? To successfully transition, and organically be perceived as your target sex?)
+
+If someone looks like a man, and sounds like a man, and I can model him as a man in the range of circumstances I interact with him without making any grievous prediction errors, then I call him a man even if he's technically a female on testosterone—not as a favor, but because it genuinely seems like the best word to describe what I'm seeing. Futhermore, if I don't perceive someone as a man, but everyone else does (or speaks as if they do), I'll usually go along with the majority's language usage for game-theoretic reasons (explanation: http://unremediatedgender.space/2019/Oct/self-identity-is-a-schelling-point/). But if he further demands that I'm not even allowed to use the phrase "female on testosterone" to describe what I think is going on in this situation, then we have a problem.
+
+Trump—
+> devastating in their percentage and power of destruction
+
+Like I said, it would seem the disagreement centers around how robust the trait-clusters are, and how useful it is to be able to use simple language to talk about the overwhelming-majority case, and I'm wary of these standards being selectively varied for political reasons that, however well-intentioned, actually in-practice interfere with our collective ability to make sense of the world.
+
+When I say "selectively varied", I mean that the same standards aren't being applied evenhandedly to different topic-areas. For example, when talking about the anatomy of the hands, you might end up offhandedly saying something like, "Humans have ten fingers." I think it's good for people to be able to say "Humans have ten fingers" in most contexts without it being construed as a denial of the facts that polydactyly exists and that some people lose fingers in accidents. (It's true that polydactyly exists! And it's true that some people lose fingers in accidents! I enthusiastically affirm both of those facts! But I think it's also true that ... you know what I meant.)
+
+This is also my rationale for wanting "Men are the ones with penises" to be considered "true" in most contexts. The claim isn't that trans men don't exist; the claim is that adult human males are the prototypical thing that trans men are imitating (to the limits of available technology), such that it's useful for many unmarked usages of "man"/"men" to be understood to refer to the prototype unless there's some contextual reason to think otherwise.
+
+https://www.berkeleyside.com/2020/11/18/uc-berkeley-strips-the-names-of-professors-with-racist-views-off-3-buildings
+
+(I remember Logan Brienne recommended Will Powers on Facebook)
+https://www.reddit.com/r/DrWillPowers/comments/jx9io9/my_official_post_on_my_personal_opinion_on/
+https://archive.is/DnxUM
+He thinks AGP is erotic-only, but gender euphoria is OK
+
+Funny exchange— https://twitter.com/The_WGD/status/1329872398087303173
+> You're slipping into the Sailer zone, and while he's not exactly canceled...it's your risk to take, but if you drift slowly enough, you won't notice when you're past the line.
+> What's the worst thing that Sailer has ever said?
+> we don't know because he said it on his alt
+
+Pay gap among Uber drivers: https://nber.org/papers/w26380
+
+Millenials are children: https://archive.fo/KOHS3
+
+I should read the new Julia Serano paper. Serano, J. (2020). Autogynephilia: A scientific review, feminist analysis, and alternative ‘embodiment fantasies’ model. The Sociological Review, 68(4), 763–778. (Note on skimming: it's actually significantly less mendacious than her previous work!)
+
+The map is not the territory. For an ideal observer passively viewing the world from behind a Cartesian veil, the map reflects the territory, and never the other way around: beliefs and reality interact in only one direction. Unfortunately, human social life is a little more complicated than this: when our beliefs about the world affect the reality of what people do, then we can have self-fulfilling prophecies: the territory bulldozed to fit the map. But self-fulfilling prophecies are still only a second-order effect: reality affects your thoughts directly (via sensory perception), whereas your thoughts only affect reality insofar as someone cares what you think.
+
+https://www.transgendertrend.com/trans-kids-reject-family-not-other-way-around/
+
+https://rewirenewsgroup.com/article/2020/11/23/is-there-a-terf-at-your-thanksgiving-gathering/
+
+https://medium.com/@Chican3ry/female-embodiment-fantasies-1e4bab7dc3f0
+
+https://nypost.com/2020/11/24/florida-woman-charged-in-machete-attack-wanted-to-be-with-mans-wife/
+
+https://www.cato.org/blog/history-crowdfunding-wake-violence
+
+Julia Serano: "Women who have struggled against patriarchal ideals of what makes a 'real' woman think nothing of turning around and using the world 'real' against trans women." The problem with the patriarchal ideals was not the word 'real'!
+
+https://world.wng.org/content/washington_erasing_parents_from_the_equation
+
+"Trans women dropkicked & beat a racist throwing slurs at them. The judge said he deserved it." https://archive.is/MWyIB
+
+https://unherd.com/2020/11/why-i-had-to-leave-the-guardian/
+https://www.theguardian.com/society/commentisfree/2020/mar/02/women-must-have-the-right-to-organise-we-will-not-be-silenced
+https://www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwick/guardian-staff-trans-rights-letter
+
+"Transgender Population Size in the United States: a Meta-Regression of Population-Based Probability Samples" https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2016.303578a
+
+https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/where-have-all-the-lesbians-gone-0a7
+
+This is actually good storytelling: https://ericatgswapcaps.blogspot.com/2020/11/magic-friend-zone-curse.html
+
+> Lesbian culture required the taboo to exist, and since it no longer does as religious objections faded, gay and bisexual women overwhelmingly meet and socialize in normal female company like straight women do.
+https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/jzbis2/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_november_23/gdtfzuz/
+
+https://eev.ee/blog/2020/06/11/rowling-is-dangerously-wrong/
+https://medium.com/@notCursedE/7-things-trans-people-never-actually-said-1ab5e5ce11da
+
+https://twitter.com/jesstheunstill/status/1334942407897587712
+> This was impressive! I was just in an Software Engineering boot camp at a tech company, and it was lead by two women of color, and the attendees were appx 10 women, 4 men, one non-binary person, and at least half were not white.
+
+https://theprovince.com/news/national/hunter-trans-jailbird-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-female-con/wcm/83654fa7-ef24-475a-a725-c56420a15e46
+
+The tragedy: we do want to help women and minorities, but not the ideological victimhood-identity mind-virus. But if the mind-virus captures all the smart women and minorities at our universities (which women and minorities feel even more pressure to go to than I did!—part of what made my autodidacticism feasible was my white male privilege, that autodidact male geniuses are more believable)
+
+recommended on /r/TheMotte about gestures https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/364
+
+article about the Timnit Gebru paper: https://archive.is/6TX2Y
+
+"Smith College alumni demand 'further training' for white staffer who decried anti-white work environment": https://archive.vn/wzlZD
+
+----
+
+> Do you agree with [people only act confused about biological sex when men wanted something]
+> Do you think that, if you look at the history of biological sex problematization/denialism (in academia, social media, etc), there's more influence from DMAB people than DFAB people?
+
+To your first question: the Tweet says "only reason", which is usually false. (Nodes in a Bayesian network can have multiple parents!) If we amend to "a significant reason, plausibly the most significant reason", then yes, in the following sense.
+
+In the possible world where the parameters of male sexual psychology are such that autogynephilia doesn't exist "but everything else is the same", then I don't think you get the kind and scope of trans-activism movement that Saotome-Westlake's and Adams-Miller's writing is a reaction to. In this world, you still get Judith Butler (AFAB, Gender Trouble published 1990) and Anne Fausto-Sterling (AFAB, Sexing the Body published 2000), but I think you don't get pronoun stickers at conferences in 2018 and you don't get a "three-year-old Merlin Blume is a girl now; she verbally confirmed it!" social-reality enforcement campaign in 2020.
+
+To your second question, it might actually depend on how you operationalize "influence"! Notably, the campaign to trans Merlin (whose parents met on lesswrong.com) is being run predominantly by AFAB people; they're just combatants in the service of an ideology that I don't think would have been so memetically fit if it weren't such a convenient accommodation for AGP. (At least, that's my theory under the doctrine of "algorithmic intent"; the people involved don't think of themselves as combatants in the service of anything.)
+
+----
+
+Two years ago, you wrote: "I wonder how would the rationalist movement (I meant the LessWrong cluster of folks) approach AGP if they could have a completely fresh start? Could there be a way to use the correlation between being intelligent/quantitative and being AGP to break the irrationalist trans ideology?"
+
+Well, I tried. I failed. I'm all out of cards. I blogged; I argued, many times, with everyone who would listen, including local celebrities (Yudkowsky, Scott Alexander). I still have a lot more writing to do for my own scholarly ambitions, but political/education efforts on my native subculture in particular are almost certainly saturated: if we were going to start a Zeitgeist change here, it would have already happened by now.
+
+There hasn't been no effect (people are aware of the typology as a hypothesis, with much thanks to Tailcalled and Ozy's Intellectual Turing Test), but I can't point to anyone doing anything meaningfully differently re impacts on women, our ability to think about sex.
+
+I'm still pretty horrified that the sticking point in discussions seems to have been not the AGP etiology itself (which is what I was focusing on in 2016/2017), but the category-boundaries-are-arbitrary "insight." So it's not just that we failed to break the irrationalist trans ideology: we actually invented something arguably worse! (Ordinary trans activists at least try to make (confused) truth claims; we invented a fully general counteragument against truth claims that's all the more dangerous thanks to the virtue of a very narrow kind of technical correctness.)
+
+-----
+
+https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/12/20691957/mastodon-decentralized-social-network-gab-migration-fediverse-app-blocking
+
+https://www.wired.com/story/science-journals-are-purging-racist-sexist-work-finally/
+https://archive.is/beD9M
+
+https://4w.pub/my-whole-conversation-with-kaitlyn-tiffany-for-the-atlantic/
+https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/12/reddit-ovarit-the-donald/617320/
+https://archive.is/lqKUe
+
+https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/keira-bell-s-victory-is-an-important-one-for-trans-teenagers
+
+https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9041725/Mum-called-trans-woman-Twitter-CLEARED-wrongdoing.html
+
+"Transgender Women in the Female Category of Sport: Perspectives on Testosterone Suppression and Performance Advantage"
+https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-020-01389-3
+"How does hormone transition in transgender women"
+https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/02/28/bjsports-2020-103106
+"Integrating Transwomen and Female Athletes with Differences of Sex Development (DSD) into Elite Competition: The FIMS 2021 Consensus Statement"
+https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-021-01451-8
+
+https://impossiblehq.com/well-see/
+
+https://harvardpress.typepad.com/hup_publicity/2020/06/black-lives-matter.html
+
+https://fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-male-criminality-sex-offences/
+
+social pressure on judges
+https://shylockholmes.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-thorny-problem-of-inconstant-judges.html
+
+"The part is subordinate to the whole: female outliers"
+https://archive.is/UKNjx
+
+https://priceonomics.com/why-did-san-francisco-schools-stop-teaching/
+
+"Failed Assignments — Rethinking Sex Designations on Birth Certificates" https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2025974
+
+you think you're pumping against the incentive gradient, but actually you're just facing a weird dark-matter incentive landscape
+https://www.facebook.com/zmdavis/posts/10154648983465199
+
+https://graymirror.substack.com/p/61-the-nomos-of-the-earth
+> The past can inspire us; it can teach us; but it can never be our destination.
+
+https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/12/22/the-gender-heretics-are-finally-winning-the-terf-wars/
+
+https://thoughtsofstone.com/the-day-the-logic-died/
+
+http://bostonreview.net/race-philosophy-religion-gender-sexuality/robin-dembroff-dee-payton-why-we-shouldnt-compare
+
+https://old.reddit.com/r/CultureWarRoundup/comments/khaseo/offtopic_and_loweffort_cw_thread_for_the_week_of/gh8kd5q/
+> Give a bunch of men the option to couch their fetish in the trappings of womanhood and they will do so with gusto, and bully their way to the top. Then give women the choice between siding with the men and winning constantly, or side against the men and become a pariah, and the outcome is inevitable.
+
+https://medium.com/@Siltha1.0/caroline-criado-perez-is-a-terf-35c489e59ad9
+
+https://twitter.com/av_rose_ev/status/1340393165090516992
+> Years 3-5 of transition for trans women is recognizing how much of your relationship to your community is contingent upon you performing reproductive labor for your friends because it's the only way they continue to engage you as a woman and yes that includes cracking eggs.
+
+"Richer color vocabulary is associated with better color memory but not color perception" (h/t Sailer https://www.unz.com/isteve/orwell-got-it-right-about-sapir-whorf/)
+https://www.pnas.org/content/117/49/31046
+
+The "Finer-grained sterotypes" point seems to be a point in favor of "there are more than two genders", but the lack of a clear truth condition is a point against
+
+trans outcome bibliogrpahy comment https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/kq3o1s/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_january_04/gid9v2d/
+
+https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/
+
+https://www.praile.net/post/kathleen-stock-obe
+
+"Sleep Deprivation Disrupts Prepulse Inhibition and Induces Psychosis-Like Symptoms in Healthy Humans"
+https://www.jneurosci.org/content/34/27/9134.short
+"Severe Sleep Deprivation Causes Hallucinations and a Gradual Progression Toward Psychosis With Increasing Time Awake"
+https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6048360/
+
+https://childrenoftransitioners.org/2021/01/24/the-abusive-autogynephile/
+
+
+https://www.facebook.com/strohl89/posts/10158884242629598
+
+> I just read an anecdote in which someone who's never had a penis claimed that "erection states intention", which I think is definitely false and also an extremely harmful thing to incorrectly believe. But I can understand why many cisgendered heterosexual woman would have such a strong impression that this is the case.
+
+I want to say: 'Why is the reference class here "cisgendered heterosexual women" rather than "biological females"? Cis lebians and trans men and also don't have first-person experience of erections.' ... but that's just going to get into a rabbithole of phalloplasty-penis erections count (where I haven't read the literature)
+
+https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/l4ii8x/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_january_25/gld6zgb/
+"trickle-down narrative economics. [...] The influence of thr NYT isnt best described in absolute value of its readership, but thr social graph of how its ideas penetrate all the way to thr bottom through more complex social networks of influence"
+
+https://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/some-early-reader-nominations-for-fits/
+From the comments—"when the NYTimes publishes a bunch of op-eds saying 'believe this' or 'do this' that often actually happens. [...] But when Scott Alexander makes a blog post, things don't happen."
+
+"no matter what we called ourselves, the dynamics stayed the exact same" https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/16208/tifs-need-to-notice-how-little-tims-actually-care-about-them/93e81379-a59b-4135-a5a1-9f5227af8c31#comment-93e81379-a59b-4135-a5a1-9f5227af8c31
+
+> if [...] I had been cis.
+["if I hadn't had dysphoria" vs. "if I had been biologically female are very different counterfactuals!]
+https://twitter.com/liminal_warmth/status/1356490859324170241
+
+"Differences in cortical structure between cognitively normal East Asian and Caucasian older adults: a surface-based morphometry study"
+https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-77848-8
+
+https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-02-05/trumpite-neighbor-unity-capitol-attack
+
+B.F. on JKR (https://www.facebook.com/duncan.sabien/posts/3883966591638029?comment_id=3884054068295948&reply_comment_id=3884243454943676):
+> I am very glad that I don't have anyone with opinions similar to hers in my immediate vicinity, because I am pretty sure that if I did, my brain would constantly be running a scared loop in any social interactions with them. [...] I think it's important that people can write essays that are as far outside my personal Overton window as hers is outside it (because sometimes they're correct and I should update, even though I don't believe this is an instance of that)
+
+https://www.newsweek.com/we-need-balance-when-it-comes-gender-dysphoric-kids-i-would-know-opinion-1567277
+
+https://trickymothernature.substack.com/p/one-long-cum
+
+"Horrified Mother Gets Front Row Seat to Sex & Gender Indoctrination Strategy Meeting"
+https://archive.li/pmuhQ
+
+https://gcacademianetwork.weebly.com/
+
+https://patch.com/illinois/evanston/northwestern-neuroscientist-found-dead-after-racism-allegations
+
+https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/its-time-to-take-the-penis-off-its-pedestal/
+
+AGP testimony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDE9H8i2Vw0
+
+"A Typology of Gender Detransition and Its Implications for Healthcare Providers"
+https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0092623X.2020.1869126
+
+https://medium.com/@mariacatt42/how-to-do-your-own-differential-diagnosis-and-why-its-total-bullshit-that-you-would-have-to-461077985659
+
+black physics grad student
+https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/lk8abe/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_february_15/go3rqcf/
+
+(paywalled)
+https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2021/02/20/little-is-known-about-the-effects-of-puberty-blockers
+
+(metered)
+https://gen.medium.com/the-sports-arena-has-become-conservatives-favorite-anti-trans-battleground-8cc3adc533cf
+
+https://wepon.tumblr.com/post/620926931352862720/my-current-top-10-favorite-posts-on-slate-star
+
+I've frequently argued against the social practice of people being expected to declare (in their social media profile, or on badges at conferences) what third-person pronouns others should use to refer to oneself. The end goal of transitioning—one would think—is to be organically perceived as the sex other than one's [developmental sex](/2019/Sep/terminology-proposal-developmental-sex/).
+
+What pronoun other people _naturally_ use to refer to you when they're _not_ trying to be polite, but just trying to _talk about the world they see_ in the language that comes naturally to them, is a test of whether your transition is actually _succeeding_ at the goal of changing your (perceived) sex.
+
+https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/statement-on-new-york-times-article#comment-1263382
+> like a screed complaining about Jewish bankers, being read by someone whose only opinion of bankers is that they provide a safe place for him to store his money
+
+https://avoiceformen.com/featured/my-son-doesnt-want-to-be-a-man/
+
+https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2695466/
+
+https://jezebel.com/these-girls-just-wanted-to-run-the-right-wanted-a-war-1846280528
+
+https://unspeakablelgbtq.weebly.com/the-stories
+
+"Varied Reports of Adult Transgender Suicidality: Synthesizing and Describing the Peer-Reviewed and Gray Literature"
+https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5436370/
+
+-----
+
+Amy Harmon quoting Half Sigma and Jason Malloy back in the day?! Times have changed https://archive.is/6cXMD
+
+Univariate fallacy again https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2016/01/16/when-us-air-force-discovered-the-flaw-of-averages.html
+
+https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/america-has-a-boy-crisis/
+
+-----
+
+The problem isn't that I particularly care about citing some particular Canadian clinical psychologist; the problem is that I aspire to work in a paradigm that's _solely_ about minimizing the expected squared error of my probabilistic predictions (even when it hurts, perhaps _especially_ when it hurts), which puts me in conflict with a culture that prioritizes other things, like "politeness" or "not triggering horrible dysphoria" or "not giving rhetorical ammunition to our hate-filled ideological enemies who want me and my friends to not-exist". Removing citations to the Canadian clinical psychologist wouldn't actually solve the real conflict.
+
+I mean that the joint trait distribution of males-on-exogenous-estrogen-who-have-either-been-castrated-or-are-on-spironolactone is not only not the same as the joint trait distribution of untreated natal females, it's _also_ going to be a better fit to the joint trait distribution of untreated natal males along the many dimensions that aren't sufficiently affected by exogenous hormone replacement therapy, and that this is sufficiently robust that it's useful to be able to express concisely with a short phrase such as "biological sex exists", even in cases where I don't have the expertise or data to prove it, and this is important because most of life depends on tacit knowledge embedded in linguistic and cultural priors, rather than provable expertise and data.
+
+There's this cultural pattern that only went mainstream about five years ago where smart progressive people want to apply _strict scrutiny_ to any attempt to refer to or reason about sex. The culture almost never requires you to flat-out _lie_ about anything; there's just this coordinated juggernaut of gerrymandered concepts and unparsimonious implied causal theories and isolated demands for rigor that I think are _in practice_ making everyone crazy, even if you can never catch anyone in an easily verifiable lie.
+
+Ordinary people can _in fact_ recognize sex from facial structure at 96% accuracy (hair covered, males clean-shaven) even though we don't have introspective access to _how_ our brains are accomplishing this high-dimensional image-classification task: <http://unremediatedgender.space/papers/bruce_et_al-sex_discrimination_how_do_we_tell.pdf>, and this is actually important for understanding what's actually going on in the heads of TERFs who cry, "That's a man! I _have eyes_ and I can _see_ that's a man! How dumb do you think we are?! Fraud!! Gaslighting!!1!"
+
+If the normative high-status response in your culture is to say, "How do you know? What do you mean by _man_? I think this is just dumb gatekeeping, and you're a horrible person who deserves contempt", then I think your culture ends up very confused about human behavior, because minimizing the length of the message needed to desribe your observations (<https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/mB95aqTSJLNR9YyjH/message-length>) would require concepts to which the culture has assigned long codeword lengths ("assigned at birth"). But I can't prove it.
+
+(I borrowed the "dumb gatekeeping" and "horrible people who deserve contempt" language from Brodski's blog post <https://deathisbadblog.com/the-real-transphobes-are-the-ones-we-made-along-the-way/>)
+
+I'm _not happy_ about the fact that this belief puts me in conflict with everyone in Berkeley and _especially_ the people who are _exactly like me_ except born five years later but I'm not sure what else I'm supposed to do?
+
+------
+
+Everest brain regression
+https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0149763421000804
+
+https://www.city-journal.org/the-miseducation-of-americas-elites
+
+---
+
+Scott Alexander—
+> It's hard to explain to people that yes, "we" have several billion dollars, but they still need to donate themselves.
+https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/m0vob7/why_hasnt_effective_altruism_grown_since_2015/gqhvuop/?context=3
+
+Maybe that's a sign that they shouldn't? Don't we want people to be making decisions on the basis of explanations?
+
+----
+
+Pre-emptive dismissal as "unrepresenative" is incoherent: if it's not representative, how are you guessing what about I'm say? (Counter: maybe the guess is because this non-representative thing gets selectively signal-boosted—but that doesn't work if the person is talking about their own experience and hasn't been selected)
+https://the-grey-tribe.tumblr.com/post/644563577202704384/your-experiences-are-not-universal-theory-of
+
+https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/check-out-how-much-effort-it-takes
+
+
+> the gray tribe gets its color by being the ashen waste of the blue tribe. Burned up in the misfortune of trying to actually compile the blue tribe source code
+https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/m0abd1/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_march_08_2021/gqvg6kv/
+
+----
+
+copied from old conversation with "Wilhelm"—
+
+the gender ratio between open-source vs. corporate software is pretty striking (~2% vs. ~20%); a hard-reactionary might argue, "women can't code, corporate women programmers are living in an astroturfed world and don't actually accomplish anything useful", whereas a more moderate position might be, "the sex difference in engineering aptitude is pretty small and women can do it fine when the appropriate incentives are there for them, but only men enjoy competing with each other for Internet Status Points"
+
+even where people have evidence from personal experience, that evidence gets interpreted through the haze of ideology (for better or for worse); Katie lived through her husband transitioning, but she didn't have the framework to make sense of it until she talked to me
+
+I was genuinely surprised by the race/IQ literature back in 2007; it wasn't that I was quietly knowledge-falsifying beforehand
+
+> one man's moderate is another man's radical when you have political inferential distance
+
+----
+
+I said: "Medical treatments aren't going to be harmful, or not-harmful as an objective binary; it's a cost-benefit thing. And things like osteoporosis risk, tenous thromboembolism risk, infertility, SRS complication risk, and the sheer inconvenience of being a lifelong medical patient are costs"
+Someone in Discord said: I'll take those risks over the risk of suicide any day
+
+... but that's if you've been sold the idea that don't-transition→suicide, which has been selected for emotional blackmail rather than being true
+
+----
+
+https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trans-girls-belong-on-girls-sports-teams/
+
+https://4thwavenow.com/2021/03/16/dutch-puberty-blocker-pioneer-stop-blindly-adopting-our-research/
+
+https://thepostmillennial.com/rob-hoogland-canada-prisoner-of-conscience
+
+https://www.feministcurrent.com/2020/12/06/the-sex-binary-is-not-a-western-construct-gender-identity-is
+
+"Self-Medication of Paraphilic Ideation Contributing to a Pulmonary Embolism: A Case Report"
+https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2667296020300094
+
+"liberalism of the gaps"
+https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/lk8abe/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_february_15/gnsbftf/
+
+Blanch doesn't think HSTS is about getting men
+https://twitter.com/BlanchardPhD/status/1372918358639849476
+
+https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/mara-keisling-on-the-trans-debate
+
+https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/19/when-transgenderism-discards-my-daughter-i-will-still-be-here-for-her/
+
+https://churchlifejournal.nd.edu/articles/the-eclipse-of-sex-by-the-rise-of-gender/
+
+https://mattbruenig.medium.com/liberal-pluralism-is-fake-7f27c9831d7d
+
+----
+
+From Discord—
+> Like, I just do not care about someone's sex, this is the least interesting part of their social gender. So for you older people, "gender" here means approximately gender role as you'd conceive of it. Why is this important? Well, thanks to the sterling work of the second wave feminists, gender roles are detached from sex. Now interestingly enough, at least some people have this thing that makes us want to play a gender role, and it makes us very happy when we manage and very sad when we don't manage. What it means to be a "gender" in this paradigm is that your brain wants you to play that gender role, broadly construed.
+> So, while I have the sex of male, that is the least interesting bit to my brain - I want to fill the gender role of "zoomer woman" and in this paradigm this is the only sensible way to define woman without just ignoring the only interesting part of gender. I understand that you're weird and like care about sex instead but I really do not understand what part of that is interesting. Someones sex does not determine their mind very well, as second wave feminism likes to say.
+
+----
+
+https://thenib.com/more-of-the-same/
+
+
+https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/18/politics/white-supremacy-racism-asian-americans/index.html
+> In one sense, it's immaterial whether the accused killer in the Atlanta spa shootings admits to a racist motivation. Asian Americans, already traumatized by a rising tide of hate, violence and rhetoric, have been living in fear for months.
+
+https://old.reddit.com/r/CultureWarRoundup/comments/maffk1/march_22_2021_weekly_offtopic_and_loweffort_cw/gsa9hqt/
+> Tomboys are the best and I exclusively wage the culture war because progs and the lgbtq crap is a direct threat to the continued existence of tomboys.
+
+tomboy respecters
+https://i.redd.it/xl8x1wixx7e51.jpg
+
+https://transliberalism.substack.com/
+
+Everyone wants to think they're an agent that's made an informed choice. And when the one comes to them and points out that they're the victim of a hostile memetic environment that's been conceptually gerrymandered to game them into making CRAZY choices for someone else's benefit, they take it personally. [...] From the inside, you have free choice in the sense that you don't know what you're going to do until you've finished computing it. From the outside, you're a system that can be gamed. You're always going to be dominated by _someone's_ memeplex. The question is, if you knew more and thought faster, which parts of your current ideology would extrapolated-you construe as parasites, and which as symbiotes? You should, of course, be very suspicious of anyone who thinks they already know the answer. But perhaps it should not be seen as such a incursion to suggest that the answer may surprise you!
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+https://medium.com/@transphilosophr/t4t-and-the-micropolitics-of-trans-liberation-357df39df017
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