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-Incidents to Include—
+Marketing—

 
 

-Done(ish)—
-✓ "Failed Utopia 4-2" 
-✓ "Changing Emotions"
+To LW—

 
 

-Easy—
-* love of a man for a woman, and vice versa as separate fragments of value
-* Psychological Unity of Humankind is only up to sex
+_(content warning sexism)_  
+_(content warning transphobia)_  
+_(content warning too much information about weird fetishes)_  
+_(content warning WTF did I just read)_  
+
+(November 2020, [TODO] words)
+
+----
+
+On Twitter—
+
+WTF transphobic garbage did I just read?? Too bad Yudkowsky can't control how creepy randos on the internet interpret his work ...
+
+-----

 
 

+To SneerClub—

 
 

+Hi SneerClub! I noticed that you've enjoyed some of my [previous](https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/fw9cng/the_lgbt_activist_machinery_instead_adapted/) [work](https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/61t94y/rationalist_tries_justifying_their_transphobia_by/), so I thought I would go ahead and proactively share this one with you, because (I'm guessing) it probably checks a lot of the boxes for top sneerable content: it's got Yudkowsky hero-worship, _and_ sexism (as many of you would define that), _and_ transphobia (as many of you would define that), _and_ weird sex stuff!
+
+(From _my_ perspective, I'm pouring my heart out about the most important thing in my life, but if someone else with a different perspective would only sneer, then I can only hope to have been—if only for a moment, as part of a subroutine in the optimal sneer computation—_understood_. And for that moment, I am grateful.)
+
+----
+
+B.F. on JKR (https://www.facebook.com/duncan.sabien/posts/3883966591638029?comment_id=3884054068295948&reply_comment_id=3884243454943676):
+> I am very glad that I don't have anyone with opinions similar to hers in my immediate vicinity, because I am pretty sure that if I did, my brain would constantly be running a scared loop in any social interactions with them. [...]  I think it's important that people can write essays that are as far outside my personal Overton window as hers is outside it (because sometimes they're correct and I should update, even though I don't believe this is an instance of that)
+
+Duncan's voicing my concern: https://www.facebook.com/duncan.sabien/posts/3890320517669303
+
+-----
+
+Points to work in—

 * Superhappies empathic inference for not wanting to believe girls were different
 * Superhappies empathic inference for not wanting to believe girls were different

+https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/qCsxiojX7BSLuuBgQ/the-super-happy-people-3-8

 * "The Opposite Sex" https://web.archive.org/web/20130216025508/http://lesswrong.com/lw/rp/the_opposite_sex/
 * EY was right about "men need to think about themselves _as men_" (find cite)
 * Vassar slapping me down
 * "Mr. Davis"
 * "The Opposite Sex" https://web.archive.org/web/20130216025508/http://lesswrong.com/lw/rp/the_opposite_sex/
 * EY was right about "men need to think about themselves _as men_" (find cite)
 * Vassar slapping me down
 * "Mr. Davis"

-* I'm not actually very good at first-person visualization, which demonstrates something
-* study evidence that this is actually common
-* AGPs dating each other is the analogue of "Failed Utopia 4-2"!!
-
-
-Harder—

 * Faster Than Science, Transgender Edition (prior draft)
 * "I often wish some men/women would appreciate"
 * empathic inference: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/NLMo5FZWFFq652MNe/sympathetic-minds https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Zkzzjg3h7hW5Z36hK/humans-in-funny-suits https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/9fpWoXpNv83BAHJdc/the-comedy-of-behaviorism
 * Faster Than Science, Transgender Edition (prior draft)
 * "I often wish some men/women would appreciate"
 * empathic inference: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/NLMo5FZWFFq652MNe/sympathetic-minds https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Zkzzjg3h7hW5Z36hK/humans-in-funny-suits https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/9fpWoXpNv83BAHJdc/the-comedy-of-behaviorism

-
-"different thing that I don't understand" /2019/Jan/interlude-xvi/
-
+* study evidence that this is actually common
+* AGPs dating each other is the analogue of "Failed Utopia 4-2"!!—the guys in "Conservative Men in Conservative Dresses" are doing better in some ways

 * wipe culturally defined values
 * finding things in the refrigerator
 *  https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/FBgozHEv7J72NCEPB/my-way https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/xsyG7PkMekHud2DMK/of-gender-and-rationality
 * wipe culturally defined values
 * finding things in the refrigerator
 *  https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/FBgozHEv7J72NCEPB/my-way https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/xsyG7PkMekHud2DMK/of-gender-and-rationality

+* make sure the late-onset/AGP terminology is introduced in a coherent order rather than being inserted willy-nilly
+* the message length of my existence
+-----
+
+Outline for remaining Coda—
+ * you can doubt someone's theory without doubting their report-as-data
+ * what "as a first approximation" means in causal graphs
+ * people have a political incentive to deny, but I'm making a fact-claim
+ * I would have expected the "rationalists" to be interested in getting the right answer (quote the "20% of the ones with penises" Facebook post), but it doesn't look like that's happening
+
+people colluding to maintain a thin layer of social constructions; lies to cis people
+
+[sympathetic minds gay couples anecdote]
+Anne Lawrence described autogynephiles as ["men who love women and want to become what they love."](/papers/lawrence-becoming_what_we_love.pdf) But it's worse than that. We're men who love what we _wish_ women were, and want to become _that_.
+
+[I have seen the destiny of my neurotype, and am putting forth a convulsive effort to wrench it off its path. My weapon is clear writing.](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/i8q4vXestDkGTFwsc/human-evil-and-muddled-thinking)
+
+
+-----
+
+"different thing that I don't understand" /2019/Jan/interlude-xvi/
+

 
 Be careful to phrase the early part as about _me_, and only point fingers at trans women in the coda
 
 
 Be careful to phrase the early part as about _me_, and only point fingers at trans women in the coda
 


@@ -62,7 +102,6 @@ learned things in the wrong order
 
 Anyway, I kind of spent the next ten years reading everything I could about sex and gender and transgender and feminism and evopsych and doing various things with my social presentation—sometimes things I regretted and reverted after a lot of pain—to try to seem not-masculine,
 
 
 Anyway, I kind of spent the next ten years reading everything I could about sex and gender and transgender and feminism and evopsych and doing various things with my social presentation—sometimes things I regretted and reverted after a lot of pain—to try to seem not-masculine,
 

-

 all the while assuming that my gender problems were clearly not the same thing as the gender problems of actual trans women,
 
 because the standard narrative was that that's 
 all the while assuming that my gender problems were clearly not the same thing as the gender problems of actual trans women,
 
 because the standard narrative was that that's 


@@ -86,19 +125,8 @@ writes down all the facts that aren't on anyone's side.
 
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-_(content warning sexism)_  
-_(content warning transphobia)_  
-_(content warning too much information about weird fetishes)_  
-_(content warning WTF did I just read)_  
-
-(October 2020, [TODO] words)
-

 
 

------
-
-Hi SneerClub! I noticed that you've enjoyed some of my [previous](https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/fw9cng/the_lgbt_activist_machinery_instead_adapted/) [work](https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/61t94y/rationalist_tries_justifying_their_transphobia_by/), so I thought I would go ahead and proactively share this one with you, because (I'm guessing) it probably checks a lot of the boxes for top sneerable content: it's got Yudkowsky hero-worship, _and_ sexism (as many of you would define that), _and_ transphobia (as many of you would define that), _and_ weird sex stuff!

 
 

-(From _my_ perspective, I'm pouring my heart out about the most important thing in my life, but if someone else with a different perspective would only sneer, then I can only hope to have been—if only for a moment, as part of a subroutine in the optimal sneer computation—_understood_. And for that moment, I am grateful.)

 
 
 Sometimes I sigh because I'll never get rich
 
 
 Sometimes I sigh because I'll never get rich


@@ -116,10 +144,6 @@ Just 'cause I'm butch and I'm a tranny girl
 
 
 
 
 
 

-[sympathetic minds gay couples anecdote]
-Anne Lawrence described autogynephiles as ["men who love women and want to become what they love."](/papers/lawrence-becoming_what_we_love.pdf) But it's worse than that. We're men who love what we _wish_ women were, and want to become _that_.
-
-[I have seen the destiny of my neurotype, and am putting forth a convulsive effort to wrench it off its path. My weapon is clear writing.](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/i8q4vXestDkGTFwsc/human-evil-and-muddled-thinking)

 
 https://archive.is/7Wolo
 > the massive correlation between exposure to Yudkowsky’s writings and being a trans woman (can’t bother to do the calculations but the connection is absurdly strong)
 
 https://archive.is/7Wolo
 > the massive correlation between exposure to Yudkowsky’s writings and being a trans woman (can’t bother to do the calculations but the connection is absurdly strong)


@@ -176,3 +200,54 @@ But the angle between the line between me and my sister, and the line between me
 http://zackmdavis.net/blog/2016/09/concerns-ii/
 
 address GI->AGP direction
 http://zackmdavis.net/blog/2016/09/concerns-ii/
 
 address GI->AGP direction

+
+(The scintillating but ultimately untrue thought.)
+
+Fit in somewhere—
+https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/KmghfjH6RgXvoKruJ/hand-vs-fingers
+
+I'm not objecting to your existence, I'm only objecting to the prerequisites to your existence
+
+
+(See Tailcalled on "zooming in" on the typology to at least a four node graph.)
+
+But once you stop taking the "gender identity"/"woman trapped in a man's body" story as _axiom_ and
+
+
+It's possible to disagree with people's _theoretical account_ of their own psychology, without doubting the honesty of their self-report, in the sense that people are doing their best to translate the ineffable _qualia_ of their experience into words. 
+
+[throw a chair](/2019/Jan/use-it-or-lose-it/) and yell, "How dumb do you think we are?!"
+
+The claim is not that the trans woman who describes her experience as an "internal sense of her own gender" is lying. 
+
+If someone claims to have an inter
+
+https://surveyanon.wordpress.com/2019/10/27/the-mathematical-consequences-of-a-toy-model-of-gender-transition/
+
+You might ask, what do I mean by "as a first approximation"? 
+
+/2018/Jan/dont-negotiate-with-terrorist-memeplexes/#a-thing-about-me
+
+_You have to let me show you what you are_.
+
+> The absolute inadequacy of every single institution in the civilization of magical Britain is what happened! You cannot comprehend it, boy! I cannot comprehend it! It has to be seen and even then it cannot be believed! 
+http://www.hpmor.com/chapter/108
+
+> The realization blasted through Harry like a vast dam breaking, releasing out all its water, bursting through his mind in an irresistible flood that swept everything away.
+> There is only one reality that generates all of the observations.
+
+(http://www.hpmor.com/chapter/104)
+
+It's not a gender identity; it's a sexual orientation that's surprisingly easy to misinterpret as a gender identity
+
+The level above "Many-worlds is obviously correct, stop being stupid" is "Racial IQ differences are obviously real; stop being stupid"
+
+https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/03/24/guided-by-the-beauty-of-our-weapons/
+
+my pseudobisexual moments
+
+Anyway, four years later, it turns out that this whole "rationality" subculture is completely fake. The thing that convinced me of this was not _even_ the late-onset-gender-dysphoria-in-males-is-not-an-intersex-condition thesis that I was originally trying to talk about. Humans are _really complicated_: no matter how "obvious" something in psychology or social science to me, I can't write someone off entirely simply for disagreeing, because the whole domain is so complex that I always have to acknowledge that, ultimately, I could just be wrong.
+
+But in the _process_ of trying to _talk about_ this late-onset-gender-dysphoria-in-males-is-not-an-intersex-condition thesis, I noticed that my conversations kept getting _derailed_ on some variation of "The word _woman_ doesn't necessarily mean that." _That_ part of the debate, I knew I could win.
+
+[dark side epistemology, what the math actually means in the real world from "Reply to Holden"]