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+For the most part, that's not what I see. Instead, people say, "You're wrong, _and_ it doesn't matter, _and_ you shouldn't be talking about this." Or, "You might be right, but it doesn't matter." Or, "This makes sense to me, but don't tell anyone I said so." Or, "I disagree, and want to privately discuss the science with you, but if you successfully change my mind, I don't want anyone to know." Or, "
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+One trans woman told me (paraphrased), [Could someone transition b/c of a fetish? Maybe, but must be very rare]
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+Another said (paraphrased), [don't talk about AGP, but favorably cites Anne Vitale]
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+What the _fuck_ is wrong with you people?
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+Yes, this is politically inconvenient.
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+What is your endgame, anyway?
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+What's in it for me?
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+Everyone is lying about the key diagnostic criterion, so people don't _know_ that they're trans, and then people get married
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+bastion of sanity should zero in on the right answer
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+but I can't, because I know too much
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+yes, there are gatekeeping incentives, but you could at least _try_ to be truthful within the constraints—is that what Vitale is doing?
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+I get people telling me,
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+No, I am _not_ a trans woman and have _absolutely no interest_ in being a trans woman. Not given currently existing technology, and _especially_ not
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+I am nothing more and nothing less than a man (adult male human) who wants to know what it feels like to be a woman (adult female human) because of my paraphilic sexual/romantic orientation.