Our protagonists are Sherkaner Underhill (mad scientist extraordinaire), Gen. Victory Smith (an oophase military prodigy, and Underhill's wife), and Sgt. Hrunkner Unnberby (an engineer, and Underhill and Smith's friend and comrade from the Great War). After the war, Underhill and Smith deliberately conceive children out of phase. Underhill is motivated by a zeal for progress: a champion of plans to use the new discovery of atomic power to keep civilization running while the sun is off, he reasons that the anti-oophase taboo will be unnecessary in the new world they're building. Smith seems motivated to pass on her oophase legacy to her children, and give them a more supportive environment than the one she faced.
-Unnerby is horrified.
+Unnerby is horrified, but tries to keep his disapproval to himself, so as not to poison the relationship. Besides being old war friends, Underhill and Smith depend on Unnerby for peacetime engineering work, preparing for the coming nuclear age. Underhill and Smith name one of their younger children after Unnerby ("Little Hrunk").
+Still, there are tensions. When Unnerby visits Underhill's home and meets the children, Underhill expresses a wish that Unnerby had visited earlier, prompting the latter to acknowledge the elephant in the room:
-Every improvement is a necessarily a change, but _not every change is an improvement_.
+> Unnerby started to make some weak excuse, stopped. He just couldn't pretend anymore. Besides, Sherkaner was so much easier to face than the General. "You know why I didn't come before, Sherk. In fact, I wouldn't be here now if General Smith hadn't given me explicit orders. I'd follow her through Hell, you know that. But she wants more. She wants acceptance of your perversions. I—You two have such beautiful children, Sherk. How could you do such a thing to them?"
+Underhill is resolute.
-> Unnerby started to make some weak excuse, stopped. He just couldn't pretend anymore. Besides, Sherkaner was so much easier to face than the General. "You know why I didn't come before, Sherk. In fact, I wouldn't be here now if General Smith hadn't given me explicit orders. I'd follow her through Hell, you know that. But she wants more. She wants acceptance of your perversions. I—You two have such beautiful children, Sherk. How could you do such a thing to them?"
+[TODO—
+ * children's Science hour
+ * One of the children, Brent, is intellectually challenged.
+ * children are kidnapped, Hrunker's remark causes Smith to grim trigger him
+ * years later, Smith admits that she feels about living through the dark as he does
+]
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+Every improvement is a necessarily a change, but _not every change is an improvement_.
### Replies to Objections
+This essay has had some negative things to say about dath ilani culture.
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[TODO—
* Counterargument: dath ilan lets you immigrate to infohazardville. Reply: sure, I agree that a Society that marginalizes truth-tellers is better than one than executes them. It's still fundamentally fair game for me to point out that it's not consilient with the values of _Overcoming Bias_ readers in 2008.
- * Counterargument: as a reductio, am I opposed to movie and homework exercise spoilers, too? Reply: No, I recognize spoiler protection as a legitimate class of infohazard. (And AGI/nuclear as an social exfohazard, and threats as a legitimate infohazard.)
+ * Counterargument: as a reductio, am I opposed to movie and homework exercise spoilers, too? Reply: No, I recognize spoiler protection as a legitimate class of infohazard. (And AGI/nuclear as an social exfohazard, and threats as a legitimate infohazard.) And the concealing eugenics predictions, self-fulfilling prophecy
* Counterargument: the text says that regular dath ilani do believe "that which can be destroyed" eventually, just not immediately. Reply: this would be more believable with a timetable; I can understand "I don't want to deal with this yet", but there's no indication that Merrin or Keltham are supposed to figure it out.
* Counterargument: but the gaslighting is supposed to inculcate distrust of authority. Reply: clearly it doesn't work, given how much everyone trusts the government that is lying to them all the time?
* Numendil's point: dath ilani should look spoiled to us, for the same reason we look spoiled to Golarionites
slotted TODO blocks—
-✓ psychiatric disaster
-✓ "Agreeing With Stalin" intro recap
-✓ recap of crimes, cont'd
-✓ Dolphin War finish
-✓ lead-in to Sept. 2021 Twitter altercation
-✓ out of patience email
-✓ Michael Vassar and the Theory of Optimal Gossip
-✓ complicity and friendship
-✓ plan to reach out to "Ethan"
-✓ Michael on creepy men/crazy men
-✓ repair pt. 5 dath ilan transition
-_ reaction to Ziz
- Eliezerfic fight conclusion
+_ Keltham's section in dath ilan ancillary
+_ objections and replies in dath ilan ancillary
+_ kitchen knife section in dath ilan ancillary
blocks to fit somewhere—
-_ the hill he wants to die on (insert somewhere in "Standing")
+_ the hill he wants to die on (conclusion for "Zevi's Choice"??)
_ Tail vs. Bailey / Davis vs. Yudkowsky analogy (new block somewhere)
_ mention that "Not Man for the Categories" keeps getting cited
> I'm also afraid of the failure mode where I get frame-controlled by the Michael/Ben/Jessica mini-egregore (while we tell ourselves a story that we're the real rationalist coordination group and not an egregore at all). Michael says that the worldview he's articulating would be the one that would be obvious to me if I felt that I was in danger. Insofar as I trust that my friends' mini-egregore is seeing something but I don't trust the details, the obvious path forward is to try to do original seeing while leaning into fear—trusting Michael's meta level advice, but not his detailed story.
Weird tribalist praise for Scott: https://www.greaterwrong.com/posts/GMCs73dCPTL8dWYGq/use-normal-predictions/comment/ez8xrquaXmmvbsYPi
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> Michael says the thing we call "trans women" are basically males who have been lied to about how sex works and who don't, can't participate in rape culture. As a virgin from the 1987 birth cohort, this resonates. I said, "Comment 171 syndrome." Although ... I have been in bed with a woman a few times, and from there the proximate cause of still-being-a-virgin-afterward was erectile nonperformance due to obligate-AGP. This is likely related to Comment 171 syndrome. Blanchard wrote about "developmental competition" (the balance between allo- and auto- hardening during psycho-sexual development): my analogue in a world where I had known how and why to ethically pursue girls as a teenager would still be in the same taxon, but maybe wouldn't have gone so far down the obligate track.
https://old.reddit.com/r/askAGP/comments/173rtqp/im_agp_and_i_transitioned_at_12_ama/
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+https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/interactive/2023/trans-women-sorority-kappa-kappa-gamma-wyoming/
+https://archive.ph/6Y2wO
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+> A trans woman told me, "I get to have all these talkative blowhard traits and no one will punish me for it cuz I'm a girl."
+https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/kq8CZzcPKQtCzbGxg/quinn-s-shortform?commentId=ByARjQ72pNfvzRoLQ
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