"all gender dysphoric males who are not sexually oriented towards men are instead sexually oriented toward the thought or image of themselves as women"
-even if you weaken _all_ to _almost all_ (Anne Lawrence: "I am firmly convinced that the overwhelming majority—probably 98% or more—of cases of severe gender dysphoria in men arise in connection with either effeminate homosexuality or autogynephilia; most of the rare exceptions probably arise in connection with conditions such as schizophrenia and certain personality disorders"), or even _most_
+Even if you weaken _all_ to _almost all_ (Anne Lawrence: "I am firmly convinced that the overwhelming majority—probably 98% or more—of cases of severe gender dysphoria in men arise in connection with either effeminate homosexuality or autogynephilia; most of the rare exceptions probably arise in connection with conditions such as schizophrenia and certain personality disorders"), or even _most_
"Why, yes, of course my female gender identity is an outgrowth of my paraphilic erotic desire to have a woman's body—after all, that's one of the two and probably only two causal pathways along which male-to-female sex reassignment could possibly seem like a good idea to someone, and you can probably already tell from my appearance and behavior that I'm not one of the androphilic kind."
+Julia Serano:
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+> There was also a period of time when I embraced the word "pervert" and viewed my desire to be female as some sort of sexual kink. But after exploring that path, it became obvious that explanation could not account for the vast majority of instances when I thought about being female in a nonsexual context.
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+I don't doubt that Julia Serano is telling the truth about her _subjective experiences_. But "that explanation could not account for" is _not an experience_. It's a _hypothesis_ about human psychology. We shouldn't _expect_ anyone to get that kind of thing right based on introspection alone.
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How to account for people disagreeing?
-* ppl can have false beliefs about themselves, have to infer explanations for behavior (Julia Serano could not explain, picking the gift on the right)
+* ppl can have false beliefs about themselves, have to infer explanations for behavior (picking the gift on the right)
* exact type of AGP and whether you remember it in childhood make a difference in how obvious the right answer is
* ppl have heard a strawman of the theory, not read "Becoming What We Love"; innoculated against smart version of theory
"That poor girl!"
-Mark looks at Katherine with a mixture of jealousy and contempt. "Wait. Wait a minute. So this _entire fucking time_, _actual trans women_ were really just _guys like me_ who were _less self-aware about it_, who had all the same happy erotic and romantic fantasies about being a girl, and then _took them literally_?! I didn't know you were allowed to take them literally! You bastards! You delusional bastards! You beautiful, lucky bastards who get all nice things I can't have, at the terrible cost of never being able to say _why_! I'm so upset about this that I feel motivated to start an entire pseudonymous blog dedicated to dismantling the shitty epistemology that led to this absurd situation!"
+Mark looks at Katherine with a mixture of jealousy and contempt. "Wait. Wait a minute. So this _entire fucking time_, _actual trans women_ were really just _guys like me_ who were _less self-aware about it_, who had all the same happy romantic fantasies about being a girl, and then _took them literally_?! You bastards! You delusional bastards! You beautiful, lucky bastards who get all nice things I can't have, at the terrible cost of never being able to say _why_! I'm so upset about this that I feel motivated to start an entire pseudonymous blog dedicated to dismantling the shitty epistemology that led to this absurd situation!"
but the real takeaway is that everyone should be more skeptical of why they think they do what they do
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